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Post by cats7474 on Aug 10, 2020 19:37:05 GMT -5
Imagine during flu season if testing was like it is now
Everyone would have the damn flu
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Aug 10, 2020 20:16:41 GMT -5
Influenza is gone forever There will not be one case this flu season If you get killed in a car wreck Covid caused it Motorcycle ditto Fall off a ladder Covid Hit by car Covid That is so ridiculous. Find some new talking points. |
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Post by cats7474 on Aug 11, 2020 14:20:56 GMT -5
Ridiculous???
Its fact that the numbers have been embellished
Its $$$$""$"
GD money and power
If you tested everyone during flu season the same scenario would play out
Fact
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Post by CharlotteCat on Aug 11, 2020 14:32:54 GMT -5
Influenza is gone forever There will not be one case this flu season If you get killed in a car wreck Covid caused it Motorcycle ditto Fall off a ladder Covid Hit by car Covid That is so ridiculous. Find some new talking points. Why, they are true and documented. |
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Post by Catamount12grad on Aug 11, 2020 15:31:11 GMT -5
I agree from a financial point of view but if one kid gets sick and dies, it is not worth it. I know that if there are any actuaries in the group, they would tell us the number of deaths that are acceptable. I guess that is acceptable is ok, unless it is your child or grandchild. College age kids think they are invincible. Keeping them out of school, WILL NOT keep them from socializing back home. This "if one life is saved stuff" so we need to remain locked down is pure bunk, Of course I don't want to see anyone get sick or die, but these kids are not going to stay home and be in lock-down and just do their work online and never go outside of their house. They are just as safe at school as they will be at home. If someone has underlying conditions that make the more risky, THEY should take more precautions, and probably should stay home and stay in their house and avoid contact with others as much as humanly possible. BUT, for the majority of young, healthy, college age kids, the risk is manageable even if they contract the virus (which could just as well happen if they remain at home). While I agree with portions of your statement, if a kid is at home with their parents they’re much more likely to follow the rules (assuming their parents are as well) than if they are at school around peers who are not. Also, if all 10,000 or so (not sure what the current actual number is) students return to campus they will be concentrated in a very rural area with a limited medical facilities. While most cases in young people are mild to asymptomatic if there was an outbreak on campus that resulted in students having symptoms or then spread to the much older surrounding community it could be very bad and easily overwhelm the limited medical facilities we do have close by. If I was a still a student I would be extremely disappointed in the situation and I certainly don’t envy the administrators having to make the call. It’s a no win situation all the way around. |
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Post by Catamount12grad on Aug 11, 2020 16:19:28 GMT -5
Influenza is gone forever There will not be one case this flu season If you get killed in a car wreck Covid caused it Motorcycle ditto Fall off a ladder Covid Hit by car Covid We are still in the midst of this pandemic, it will be many years before the full impact is known. Are there some deaths not related to COVID that have been miss-classified? I’m sure. But the vast consensus of things I’ve read say that COVID deaths are actually higher than what has been confirmed. If you want to argue about every single cause of the death of all 165,000 Americans that are currently reported to have died of COVID then you can do that later, after we’ve returned to some sense of normalcy. Right now the best thing you can do if you want students back on campus and football in EJ Whitmire this fall is to trust the scientists, wear a mask/socially distance, and encourage everyone you know to do the same. |
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Post by wcatradio75 on Aug 11, 2020 16:42:11 GMT -5
What is normalcy and when does that return? When there are NO cases of COVID? When there's a vaccination that is 50% effective and 30% refuse to take it for one reason or another? There are 60 MILLION cases of flu each year and almost 3 MILLION people die in the US each year (of all reasons). IF COVID kills 300,000 people (double the current number, and highly unlikely), it would account for 1% of all deaths in the US in a given year. Did anyone hear that the 7 year old that died last week in Georgia of "Covid" actually died because he had a fever and had a seizure and drowned in the bathtub? No - we heard that he died of COVID and had no underlying conditions. I don't think that more people have died of Covid than has been reported. It's likely the other way around. But we have our opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours. BY the way - I DO agree that we should do all we can to avoid the spread - including social distancing, and wearing masks when you can't.
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Post by Catamount12grad on Aug 11, 2020 17:21:57 GMT -5
What is normalcy and when does that return? When there are NO cases of COVID? When there's a vaccination that is 50% effective and 30% refuse to take it for one reason or another? There are 60 MILLION cases of flu each year and almost 3 MILLION people die in the US each year (of all reasons). IF COVID kills 300,000 people (double the current number, and highly unlikely), it would account for 1% of all deaths in the US in a given year. Did anyone hear that the 7 year old that died last week in Georgia of "Covid" actually died because he had a fever and had a seizure and drowned in the bathtub? No - we heard that he died of COVID and had no underlying conditions. I don't think that more people have died of Covid than has been reported. It's likely the other way around. But we have our opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours. BY the way - I DO agree that we should do all we can to avoid the spread - including social distancing, and wearing masks when you can't. I don’t have the answer to that and I don’t think anyone does yet. Per the preliminary CDC estimates your total number of flu cases is on the high end of accurate but deaths are only 24-62,000 for the 2019 to 2020 flu season. A mortality rate of approximately .1%, on the high end, if my math is right. That’s with normal sports, education, and all other forms of mass gatherings that would normally take place. www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htCurrently 5,130,784 confirmed COVID cases with 165,000 deaths. 3.2% mortality with all the shutdowns and everything else we’ve done. Even if you want to argue that the total deaths is actually lower, there have still been significantly more deaths and a significantly higher mortality rate than the flu and this virus, unlike the flu, is not seasonal. Not to mention that if you get flu and recover from it there are no lasting effects that I know of while people with symptomatic cases of COVID may never fully recover and have a wide range of lingering side effects. Like I said in a separate post, if we want to argue about actual causes of death of each individual case we can do that later. I’m not familiar with that particular story but if the kid in GA didn’t have underlying conditions was the fever/seizure caused by COVID? I’m assuming we don’t have these answers and while COVID may not have been the actual direct cause of death it could be significant and worth research if there were other issues caused by COVID that resulted in the child’s death. Again, we can’t zoom in to the micro level and question every decision and bit of data while we’re still in the midst of this. |
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Post by wcatradio75 on Aug 11, 2020 21:39:36 GMT -5
My only other response to this is that according to the CDC, the AVERAGE age of death from COVID is 75. We know that younger folks are at extremely low risk of death. Yes - younger folks can spread it to older ones, but if football players stay on campus, their exposure to anyone older than 60 can be controlled - including things like older staff/faculty being kept from students. Again - at what point do we return to normalcy? What is the number? What is the risk? Fauci said this can be with us for 2 - 4 years.
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