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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Apr 16, 2018 9:53:32 GMT -5
I would agree if we could get Jack Leggett. Was never impressed with Coach Raleigh as a head coach. He is a great person and a Catamount, but to put him in the same league or even universe as Jack Leggett is just not right.
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Post by catamount87 on Apr 16, 2018 10:39:50 GMT -5
Someone asked about Moranda vs Leggett and Raleigh.
Records Todd Raleigh 2000-2007 (8 seasons): 257-209 (132-101) or an avg of 32-26 (16.5-12.625) Jack Leggett 1983-1991 (9 seasons): 302-229 (103-40) or an avg of 33.6-25.4 (11.4-4.4) Bobby Moranda 2008-Present (11 seasons): 315-284 (162-122) or an avg of 28.6-25.8 (14.7-11.1)
Winning Percentages Todd Raleigh 55.2% overall, 56.7% SoCon Jack Leggett 56.9% overall, 72% SoCon Bobby Moranda 52.6% overall, 57.0% SoCon
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Post by jim68 on Apr 16, 2018 11:51:43 GMT -5
Someone asked about Moranda vs Leggett and Raleigh. Records Todd Raleigh 2000-2007 (8 seasons): 257-209 (132-101) or an avg of 32-26 (16.5-12.625) Jack Leggett 1983-1991 (9 seasons): 302-229 (103-40) or an avg of 33.6-25.4 (11.4-4.4) Bobby Moranda 2008-Present (11 seasons): 315-284 (162-122) or an avg of 28.6-25.8 (14.7-11.1) Winning Percentages Todd Raleigh 55.2% overall, 56.7% SoCon Jack Leggett 56.9% overall, 72% SoCon Bobby Moranda 52.6% overall, 57.0% SoCon Thanks 87 for the facts. 72% winning percentage in the SoCon speaks volumes about Jack Leggett. Winning percentages per year is also telling. I kind of expected the most games won would go to Moranda because he has 3 more season than Raleigh & two more seasons as HC over Leggett. No Coach on the WCU Payroll disgusts me more than Bobby Moranda. Whatever is wrong with this Baseball Program is his fault for not correcting it or at least showing signs of improving the situation. At Division 1, parental influence either directly or indirectly should not be an issue with the Coach. I do not know if Moranda has this problem but he is certainly playing players on this team that have not been productive during this season. However, his fondness for these players are foreshadowing his judgement.
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Post by Baseball Guy on Apr 16, 2018 13:51:03 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the guys. This is supposed to be the best experience to date in their baseball career and Coach Mo has turned it into a joke. Even the guys batting in the 100's playing every game they are still 3-31. How fun can that be. The message Coach Mo is sending out to this team is pathetic. Even off the field. What kind of crap is that? You don't have to be productive. It does not matter, and stats don't lie, you just keep your position or your job. I wouldn't want my child no where near a person of authority like that. Western Carolina is a higher learning institution it is a shame a lesson like that is being taught on the baseball field. Coach Mo's Got Go!!!
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Post by wcatradio75 on Apr 16, 2018 15:24:15 GMT -5
Someone asked about Moranda vs Leggett and Raleigh. Records Todd Raleigh 2000-2007 (8 seasons): 257-209 (132-101) or an avg of 32-26 (16.5-12.625) Jack Leggett 1983-1991 (9 seasons): 302-229 (103-40) or an avg of 33.6-25.4 (11.4-4.4) Bobby Moranda 2008-Present (11 seasons): 315-284 (162-122) or an avg of 28.6-25.8 (14.7-11.1) Winning Percentages Todd Raleigh 55.2% overall, 56.7% SoCon Jack Leggett 56.9% overall, 72% SoCon Bobby Moranda 52.6% overall, 57.0% SoCon Thanks 87 for the facts. 72% winning percentage in the SoCon speaks volumes about Jack Leggett. Winning percentages per year is also telling. I kind of expected the most games won would go to Moranda because he has 3 more season than Raleigh & two more seasons as HC over Leggett. No Coach on the WCU Payroll disgusts me more than Bobby Moranda. Whatever is wrong with this Baseball Program is his fault for not correcting it or at least showing signs of improving the situation. At Division 1, parental influence either directly or indirectly should not be an issue with the Coach. I do not know if Moranda has this problem but he is certainly playing players on this team that have not been productive during this season. However, his fondness for these players are foreshadowing his judgement. Jim: Please do not think I think what is happening is acceptable or that the strategy of playing non-productive team members is a good thing. But I posted on the other board the improvements over the past month with this team: I am as confounded as anyone at the lack of wins this year. However, am I wrong in detecting that there is improvement? The number of errors has dropped substancially, and the margin of loss even more so. I just ran the numbers and until the Tennessee game, we were losing by an average of 7.47 runs per game. Since that time, we have narrowed the margin to 2.5 runs per game. Additionally, our run production has increased and our pitching has improved. In the first 17 games of the season (through the UT game), we allowed 10 runs or more in 10 of those games. In the past 11 games (since UT), there have only been 2 games where opponents scored more than 10 runs (both @ VMI and both of those VMI came back from behind to win).
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Post by Baseball Guy on Apr 16, 2018 16:25:35 GMT -5
A few are still optimistic I see. Granted the errors have reduced but the fact is VMI has a losing overall record and had losing Southern Conference record till they just swept us. We could have a few wins maybe in those close games if we didnt have guys going 0-10 batting a 100 and still playing every game. Who does that? I know there are some guys on that bench that can play . One kid hit 380 in Junior College on a team that went to the JC College World Series. Where is he? 3-31 and still doesn't matter.
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Post by wcuecu2010 on Apr 17, 2018 0:56:05 GMT -5
This year is just a major head scratcher for me. I am at a lost to why we are this bad. I can understand the occasional below .500 season or even a bad season like we had in 2000, but the way we are losing to teams like VMI and the way we lose even when we have a lead just makes me wonder if Coach Moranda has lost his drive in coaching or recruiting. I think we have good talent on the field so it makes me wonder if Coach Moranda maybe is just burnt out? I don't know? He has done enough and just 2 years ago got WCU into the NCAA tournament so yes he has earned the right for 1 more year. However, if we win no more than 10 games next year a change is needed. If we significantly improve next year (even if its a losing season such as win 20 to 27 games) I would give him another year to see if there is more improvement.
On theory I do wonder is if the athletic funds have been pulled more from baseball to say support the football program because after all football is the money maker. If we are struggling financially and the administration has done that to keep football in the winning than it would make since why baseball is down but still 3 wins at this point of the season is still mind boggling if that is the case. Back in the mid 2000s up until about 2013, it was well known that ECU pulled money from the successful baseball program under Terry Holland to invest in football, and during those years baseball (which was still respectable and never had a losing season but was not able to achieve its expectations of every year making a regionals, SRs and CWS), while football was on one if its best runs in that time, ECU was paying its former head coach Billy Godwin about what Moranda makes now) and ECU saw mediocre baseball play until Cliff Godwin was hired and demanded pay to the extent of the major conferences (ACC) and a commitment to baseball, hitting facility, etc now baseball is back and football is down.
So the reason for me bringing that up is if that is what WCU is doing? Now WCU has less money so I do wonder if that is the case? Then this may go on for a while, especially if financially we have to sacrifice the success of a program for another, so if so, should we see a positive spike in football this year?
However, if Moranda just happens to be burnt out, I am not sure Moranda will stay on himself if he needs to recharge his batteries. So I am just curious if that is the case with Moranda?
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Post by wcu32 on Apr 17, 2018 8:14:18 GMT -5
comparing football to baseball is pretty damn stupid. Baseball we can and have won since Leggett but football had never won on a consistent level and will always have a hard time doing so Wow - did you really call me stupid? I'm not the smartest Catamount fan - but there is something going on with this baseball team that we don't understand. Do you think that the program is shot and we need to start over? I stand by my logic. The football team was under consistent leadership and was on a winning track when all of a sudden after two winning seasons, chemistry on the team got poisoned. When the problem got solved, the team came back to win again this fall. To go from a SoCon baseball contender last year to winning 10% of our games this year indicates to me that there is an issue that was not there last year. Resolve that issue and we may be able to turn the ship around next year. Is that stupid logic? C'mon man. I get your point but one program has a history of winning and one does not. That was only point i was trying to make. Football has never been consistent and will probably always be that way. Its just almost impossible task for them to be consistently winning year in and year out. Wish it wasnt like that but that is the way it is
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Post by wcu32 on Apr 17, 2018 8:25:19 GMT -5
Someone asked about Moranda vs Leggett and Raleigh. Records Todd Raleigh 2000-2007 (8 seasons): 257-209 (132-101) or an avg of 32-26 (16.5-12.625) Jack Leggett 1983-1991 (9 seasons): 302-229 (103-40) or an avg of 33.6-25.4 (11.4-4.4) Bobby Moranda 2008-Present (11 seasons): 315-284 (162-122) or an avg of 28.6-25.8 (14.7-11.1) Winning Percentages Todd Raleigh 55.2% overall, 56.7% SoCon Jack Leggett 56.9% overall, 72% SoCon Bobby Moranda 52.6% overall, 57.0% SoCon Those numbers are very misleading though. 3 totally different era's of SoCon baseball. When Leggett was coach the only team really to compete with WCU till Georgia Southern joined the league was The Citadel. Rest of league was not very good. During Raleigh's tenure the league started to turn into one of the top Mid-Major conferences in the country with WCU, Georgia Southern, CofC, and Elon. Citadel was still a power back then also. Moranda entered the league when it was still one of the top Mid Major leagues in country and joining the league and the previous mentioned teams was Samford. Since GSU, CofC, and Elon left the league has fallen off drastically.
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Post by catamount87 on Apr 17, 2018 8:44:50 GMT -5
Yep, three differing eras in college baseball. In the 80s and early 90s there was a lot more parity across the board in college baseball. WCU could compete with just about anyone at that time. The only difference between schools like WCU and say a FSU, which was a powerhouse then, was often just a little bit better pitching talent or depth. Now, those gaps are a lot wider between the P5 and mid-majors.
You mentioned the decrease in competitiveness in the SoCon since Elon and GSU left. Well, WCU hasn't exactly lighten a fire since then either. We've just chugged along with no real improvements on the solid history of success built by Leggett, LeClair, Hennon and Raleigh. Why, well some would argue money which I think is one of the root factors. But let's face it, coaching has been only adequate over the last 11 years. How many seasons were we heavy favorites or won the SoCon regular season only to fall flat on our faces come SoCon tournament time?
Much like Coach Hunter and our men's basketball program, Moranda has kept us in the mix often enough but he hasn't grown the program nor has he added to our history of success in baseball.
FYI, here's his record by season.
'07-08: 29-28 (14-13) '08-09: 35-22 (19-10) '09-10: 37-21-1 (16-13-1) '10-11: 23-31-1 (12-18) '11-12: 32-24 (16-14) '12-13: 39-20 (23-7) '13-14: 37-18 ( 20-6) '14-15: 21-30 (11-13) '15-16: 31-31 (15-9) '16-17: 28-28 (15-8) '17-18: 3-31 (1-11)
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