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Post by wcugrad95 on Sept 24, 2018 12:23:14 GMT -5
OK - how about last year, when he was only the second player in WCU history to generate over 3000 yards?
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Sept 24, 2018 12:31:33 GMT -5
I agree that Tyrie is one of our all time great QB's. However, if I have a beef, its that we many times have open receivers who don't get a look from Adams. One example is Jordan Mathis, Owen Cosenke, and Austin Phillips. They have plenty of playing time, but between them, 9 receptions for 120 yards. I've seen Cosenke and Mathis open numerous times but throws go to others - many times incomplete. I will 100% agree that he does not find the open receivers. We could throw the ball on the TE or slot post or slant pattern 15 times a game. Sitting on paws porch and watching the game from that angle I see so many times we could go to the middle for a big gain. I think Tyrie has a receiver picked out for the play before it is ever snapped. He never looks at his other options if his first option is covered up.
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Post by gocats18 on Sept 24, 2018 12:35:26 GMT -5
I agree with the overwhelming majority of what GA CAT says, but the Adams conversation is just hard to understand (from earlier and from now). Jones has looked great when he has been given a chance, and we all LOVE the fact that we have such a good player as our backup QB. If we find ourselves down by several scores and want to see what he can do I am all for giving him some significant playing time. If Adams goes out with injury we are all much more comfortable that the offense will still roll with him in the game. But Adams is the best player on the team. Period. Stats so far this season: Passing - 51 of 83 (61.5%) for 599 yards and 5 TDs with 2 INTs Rushing - 46 attempts for 309 yards (6.7 per carry including sacks) and 4 TDs Total - 908 yards of offense and 9 TDs in 3 games (over 300 yards and 3 TDs per game) I get he just threw his first 2 picks that were not good, and that we have taken a number of shots downfield where he overthrows it or throws it up. But geez - those are all-time kind of numbers for a WCU offensive player. He is on-pace to have 3329 yards and 33 TDs accounted for. Keep in mind that he did all this against the 3 worst teams on our schedule. He put up the same kind of numbers the last 2 years... This drives me absolutely nuts. Why would he want to go put his body on the line for a fan base who is waiting for him to make a mistake so they can bench him? He deserves our full support. There is a good chance he will pass Troy for all-time leader in total offense as a Junior.
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Post by jim64 on Sept 24, 2018 12:39:47 GMT -5
OK - how about last year, when he was only the second player in WCU history to generate over 3000 yards? We finished in 4th place in the Conference Standings last year. I like 75 very much & he made some valid points. GaCat also made some very good observations & should be respected. I acknowledged Adams Athletic Abilities at the end of my post & have never stated he was not an outstanding player. I’m just saying that Will Jones needs to be given some playing time to see what he can do in a game situation. Instead of spouting stats, address the information in the posts by 75 & GaCat. The reason I agree with them is because I have seen the same things in the first three games.
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Post by jim64 on Sept 24, 2018 12:47:16 GMT -5
I agree that Tyrie is one of our all time great QB's. However, if I have a beef, its that we many times have open receivers who don't get a look from Adams. One example is Jordan Mathis, Owen Cosenke, and Austin Phillips. They have plenty of playing time, but between them, 9 receptions for 120 yards. I've seen Cosenke and Mathis open numerous times but throws go to others - many times incomplete. I will 100% agree that he does not find the open receivers. We could throw the ball on the TE or slot post or slant pattern 15 times a game. Sitting on paws porch and watching the game from that angle I see so many times we could go to the middle for a big gain. I think Tyrie has a receiver picked out for the play before it is ever snapped. He never looks at his other options if his first option is covered up. You are exactly correct about the QB picking a receiver to throw to prior to the ball being snapped. He likes to force his throws to Patten instead of checking off his receivers. If we can see this, why can’t the Coaches see this & make corrections. You better believe the opposing coaches will pick up on this & adjust accordingly.
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Post by GaCat on Sept 24, 2018 14:09:21 GMT -5
Hi Jim 64 Thanks for your comments. I am 70 years old and very seldom post - am not politically correct and quite honestly don't give a rat's ass whether others get ticked. Way too many Americans worry about what someone else may think. Others may donate more or less than I but I have to live with me and be able to stand the person looking back at me in the mirror. So I say what I say. Sorry others have given you a hard time - but stay true to yourself!
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Post by wcugrad95 on Sept 24, 2018 14:25:26 GMT -5
GaCat - As stated - I agree with much of what you said. I also agree with quite a bit of what Jim says, especially regarding play calling and the need for us to address issues that are apparent. Tyrie is just where I do the same thing you guys do and voice my opinion that while he is not perfect, I feel he gives us the best chance to win and can only trust that the coaching staff believes that, too. I get that we finished 4th in the league last year and didn't make the playoffs, but I would ask each of you for an honest assessment - do you think that is because of Tyrie Adams or the record-setting offense we had/points we scored? Or was it because we puked on ourselves against Furman (with Adams out) and just couldn't close the deal on Mercer where we got over 500 yards and scored 33 points? I would certainly be interested to see what other coaches and fans thought, but my guess is they would be very happy if we didn't play Adams at QB. I just feel like the problems we have are much more around defense, special teams, and some scheme issues than they are around replacing our all-conference type QB. Just about everything else you posted I thought was pretty spot-on.
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Post by CharlotteCat on Sept 24, 2018 14:36:41 GMT -5
What I don't understand, why is ANYONE discussing or questioning the quarterback of a team that leads the conference in scoring offense?
SCORING OFFENSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Points Avg/G 1. Western Carolina 3 15 3 14 0 0 0 113 37.7
......... and that leads the conference in total offense? TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G 1. Western Carolina 3 860 650 227 1510 6.7 14 503.3
.........when the real problems on the team are on the defensive side of the ball?
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Post by jim64 on Sept 24, 2018 14:43:54 GMT -5
Hi Jim 64 Thanks for your comments. I am 70 years old and very seldom post - am not politically correct and quite honestly don't give a rat's ass whether others get ticked. Way too many Americans worry about what someone else may think. Others may donate more or less than I but I have to live with me and be able to stand the person looking back at me in the mirror. So I say what I say. Sorry others have given you a hard time - but stay true to yourself! I am glad you made your post. Your thoroughness in your observations & your honesty is refreshing. Thanks again for your comments.
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Post by jim64 on Sept 24, 2018 15:01:26 GMT -5
GaCat - As stated - I agree with much of what you said. I also agree with quite a bit of what Jim says, especially regarding play calling and the need for us to address issues that are apparent. Tyrie is just where I do the same thing you guys do and voice my opinion that while he is not perfect, I feel he gives us the best chance to win and can only trust that the coaching staff believes that, too. I get that we finished 4th in the league last year and didn't make the playoffs, but I would ask each of you for an honest assessment - do you think that is because of Tyrie Adams or the record-setting offense we had/points we scored? Or was it because we puked on ourselves against Furman (with Adams out) and just couldn't close the deal on Mercer where we got over 500 yards and scored 33 points? I would certainly be interested to see what other coaches and fans thought, but my guess is they would be very happy if we didn't play Adams at QB. I just feel like the problems we have are much more around defense, special teams, and some scheme issues than they are around replacing our all-conference type QB. Just about everything else you posted I thought was pretty spot-on. You are right about the Defense. HC & his staff have loaded up on the Offensive Side of the ball in the past at the expense of the defense. HC hired a loser DC & that set the defense back a couple of years. We are still paying for that hiring failure. HC had his hands tied behind his back because of the prior DC’s resignation. Do not get me wrong 95. You make & have made some great observations this season. You tend to call it like it is & not hesitant to criticize when justified or praise when justified. As far as Special Teams are concerned, you are right again. The Freshman & Sophomores on the defense will determine the fate of this season.
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