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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 12, 2018 8:37:50 GMT -5
I think we have clearly had some poor coaching decisions this season - it shouldn't take us 6 games to figure out we need changes, or address special teams, or not play injured players. So I am not apologizing or making excuses for how we have looked. At the same time, I agree with much of what FLCAT says about the state of our program versus where it was. In the end, maybe this staff has gotten us as far as they can, but in reality that is as far as any staff has ever gotten us at the FCS/D-IAA level outside of the 2 glorious years of 1983 and 1984 (which is 34+ years ago). And with the team we currently have, I am not sure who else we would put out there - so we need the coaches to finally adapt and change and look to shift teaching technique, game plans and schemes, etc. to try and figure out how to come up with a few more wins.
We are not Oklahoma - places like WCU are seldom going to get rid of a coach (much less multiple coaches) during a season unless there is a major conduct (Landry) or a legal reason to do so. All that talk will happen in the off-season. I am not saying be complacent or not have an expectation that our recent talent-levels shouldn't be able to make the playoffs. I am saying we have what we have (young players and current coaches) for the next 6 games, and let's try and support them to see if we can salvage 2 or 3 wins this year. Right now the only game we are favored in (per Massey) oddly enough is at ETSU.
We all love Western, so let's pull for the team and talk a little about what we need to do to get a "W".
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Post by mtncat1 on Oct 12, 2018 9:11:52 GMT -5
After listening to Coach Speir’s assessment of the Samford Game today, he is the greatest BSer that I have ever listen to. Once again, he said his coaches did a terrible job preparing the Cats for Samford. How many times are the Cats’ Fans going to accept this excuse. Fans need to keep in mind that UTC’s Coach was a D2 coach 2 years ago. What part was BS? Or, is what you are trying to say is that the very fact that the coaches are blaming themselves is just BS and Speir is "just saying that and lying"? Are you saying that it is the players fault and by Speir saying it is the coaches fault, that this is just him "BS'ing". By saying how many times are the fans going to accept this excuse, what do you mean? What difference does it make whether excuses are accepted or not? Since when at WCU has the fact that fans didn't accept excuses EVER changed anything? So, you can blame the coaches all you want, blame the players all you want but the REAL issue we've got on our hands is a systematic lack of support for WCU football and overall athletics by WCU Admin, WCU board of directors, WCU Cat Club fundraising, UNC Admin, business and local community. PERIOD. I've stepped up my game and level of support for the past 15 years in the Cat Club, so have many others, but we are STILL WAY BELOW others in our conference. I give enough to "Scmooze" with the top donors in the Purple Zone, but stopped attending because I'm tired of listening to a bunch of old farts complain. Maybe I'm just too young to hang out with this type of crowd, but dang what a sour bunch to be around. I'll just hang out at a local brewery or tailgate with friends before the game, much more positive experience. I sit near a lot of these same folks in the stadium and get odd looks when I stand up on 3rd down and cheer. I get the "sit down, I can't see" request from these chromogens that literally have the cat club shirts and purple zone passes. UNREAL (and I don't curse, scream, or say anything derogatory about refs or players). I'm not even going to list off the issues with WCU Admin and UNC admin, that dead horse has been beaten in other posts.
Simpleton's like to not think about deep issues and like to find easy scapegoats, then b*&^ch and complain about that person or set of person(s), whether it be the topic of socioeconomic disparity, #metoo movement, or whatever the topic. It's easy, it requires little thought, yet it yields an immediate satisfaction that the "culprit" has been identified and progress is being made by picking apart the identified "culprit" or problem whilst shifting the focus away from the REAL problem and advancing an agenda. You can hire Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Dabo Sweeney and all the Stoops brothers to coach WCU and we'd still have the same issues we've got today. Let's face it folks, until things change at the VERY top and until WCU has a COMPLETE paradigm shift in thinking about athletics, we are going to be as good as we've been and nothing will change.
I've accepted this fact. I don't like it, but I've accepted it. I'll still give my money, show up to games and try not to be too rowdy or cheer too loud until things change at the top. Show me some major changes at the top, then I'll have different expectations. Until then, I'm not going to go down the path of this bitter and hateful scapegoating that rears its ugly head up each time WCU has a bad loss or a losing season.
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 12, 2018 9:59:05 GMT -5
Youth is not an excuse to play badly. App State is the youngest team in FBS and they are close to being ranked in the top 25. They have run through everyone they played aside from Penn State and they almost beat them. You are correct on one thing. I do expect when they start winning to keep it up. I do expect Socon championships. I do expect playoff appearances. When it comes to sports if you are not winning and coming in first place then you are not winning and why play if you don't want to win. I will not say sorry for being hard on all WCU teams. I expect winning teams every year not just a winning team every 3 years.
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Post by WesternFan on Oct 12, 2018 14:52:48 GMT -5
Let's face it folks, until things change at the VERY top and until WCU has a COMPLETE paradigm shift in thinking about athletics, we are going to be as good as we've been and nothing will change.
I've accepted this fact. I don't like it, but I've accepted it. I'll still give my money, show up to games and try not to be too rowdy or cheer too loud until things change at the top. Show me some major changes at the top, then I'll have different expectations. Until then, I'm not going to go down the path of this bitter and hateful scapegoating that rears its ugly head up each time WCU has a bad loss or a losing season.
I totally agree with your first sentence mtncat1, you are spot on. I also understand your second sentence, "I've accepted this fact." - many, many Catamount fans have accepted the athletic program at WCU are what they are, that's the way it's always been and will always be. There certainly has been enough history to understand how you and many others feel that way. It's your final two sentences that seems contradictory to me, "Show me some major changes at the top, then I'll have different expectations. Until then, I'm not going to go down the path of this bitter and hateful scapegoating that rears its ugly head up each time WCU has a bad loss or a losing season." The reason I say contradictory, you state, "you'll give our money, show up at games and try not to be rowdy". Don't you see, Catamount fans have done just that for the past 40 years? Sitting on their hands, resulting in an athletic program, (specifically football) that has created the paradigm that nothing should change in athletic funding by the administration. Until you (and most Catamount fans) have different expectations (the expectation of competitive, winning football), that paradigm shift will NEVER happen. Don't you see, that if the entire fan base goes down that "path of bitter and hateful scapegoating that rears its ugly head up each time WCU has a bad loss or a losing season." is one of the many things that can cause a paradigm shift with the BOT, and the next chancellor. If everyone just sits there, fat, dumb and happy - nothing will change, just as nothing has changed in athletics since the university became members of the Southern Conference over 40 years ago. So, you can go ahead, make no waves, give your money, show up at games, and look down your nose at those that want more for athletics. You'll have WCU football, just like the WCU football of the past 40 years, while you count the number of winning season in both hands, and no conference championships.
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Post by wheecats on Oct 12, 2018 15:46:14 GMT -5
Western, preach! 🙌🏼
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Post by jim64 on Oct 12, 2018 18:32:48 GMT -5
After listening to Coach Speir’s assessment of the Samford Game today, he is the greatest BSer that I have ever listen to. Once again, he said his coaches did a terrible job preparing the Cats for Samford. How many times are the Cats’ Fans going to accept this excuse. Fans need to keep in mind that UTC’s Coach was a D2 coach 2 years ago. What part was BS? Or, is what you are trying to say is that the very fact that the coaches are blaming themselves is just BS and Speir is "just saying that and lying"? Are you saying that it is the players fault and by Speir saying it is the coaches fault, that this is just him "BS'ing". By saying how many times are the fans going to accept this excuse, what do you mean? What difference does it make whether excuses are accepted or not? Since when at WCU has the fact that fans didn't accept excuses EVER changed anything? So, you can blame the coaches all you want, blame the players all you want but the REAL issue we've got on our hands is a systematic lack of support for WCU football and overall athletics by WCU Admin, WCU board of directors, WCU Cat Club fundraising, UNC Admin, business and local community. PERIOD. I've stepped up my game and level of support for the past 15 years in the Cat Club, so have many others, but we are STILL WAY BELOW others in our conference. I give enough to "Scmooze" with the top donors in the Purple Zone, but stopped attending because I'm tired of listening to a bunch of old farts complain. Maybe I'm just too young to hang out with this type of crowd, but dang what a sour bunch to be around. I'll just hang out at a local brewery or tailgate with friends before the game, much more positive experience. I sit near a lot of these same folks in the stadium and get odd looks when I stand up on 3rd down and cheer. I get the "sit down, I can't see" request from these chromogens that literally have the cat club shirts and purple zone passes. UNREAL (and I don't curse, scream, or say anything derogatory about refs or players). I'm not even going to list off the issues with WCU Admin and UNC admin, that dead horse has been beaten in other posts.
Simpleton's like to not think about deep issues and like to find easy scapegoats, then b*&^ch and complain about that person or set of person(s), whether it be the topic of socioeconomic disparity, #metoo movement, or whatever the topic. It's easy, it requires little thought, yet it yields an immediate satisfaction that the "culprit" has been identified and progress is being made by picking apart the identified "culprit" or problem whilst shifting the focus away from the REAL problem and advancing an agenda. You can hire Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Dabo Sweeney and all the Stoops brothers to coach WCU and we'd still have the same issues we've got today. Let's face it folks, until things change at the VERY top and until WCU has a COMPLETE paradigm shift in thinking about athletics, we are going to be as good as we've been and nothing will change.
I've accepted this fact. I don't like it, but I've accepted it. I'll still give my money, show up to games and try not to be too rowdy or cheer too loud until things change at the top. Show me some major changes at the top, then I'll have different expectations. Until then, I'm not going to go down the path of this bitter and hateful scapegoating that rears its ugly head up each time WCU has a bad loss or a losing season.
I never said anything about the players. I was talking about the statement Coach Speir made about his staff not preparing the players for the Samford Game. He has used that excuse numerous times in the past & it is getting old. I have not gotten to the point that I’m willing to accept failure in the Athletic Programs like you have at this point. Unlike you, I will not down you or your comments in your post. I think the people on here that are upset with the Football Program love WCU just as much as you do. You nor they should be attacked for their opinions. You have a nice weekend & pull the Cats to victory over UTC.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 14, 2018 11:45:01 GMT -5
Youth is not an excuse to play badly. App State is the youngest team in FBS and they are close to being ranked in the top 25. They have run through everyone they played aside from Penn State and they almost beat them. You are correct on one thing. I do expect when they start winning to keep it up. I do expect Socon championships. I do expect playoff appearances. When it comes to sports if you are not winning and coming in first place then you are not winning and why play if you don't want to win. I will not say sorry for being hard on all WCU teams. I expect winning teams every year not just a winning team every 3 years. Unfortunately for you, if you truly believe the expectations you have set forth, you are going to continue to be frustrated. We don't have the funding from the Administration or BOT. Funding Football is not an option at WCU and the sooner your learn that, the better off you will be. Coach Speir is a great coach and he is doing the best he can with what he had to work with. I know you do not believe that, but you are wrong because that is a fact.
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Post by smack1212 on Oct 14, 2018 11:47:11 GMT -5
Just an FYI. Harris played on special teams yesterday.
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Post by smack1212 on Oct 14, 2018 11:49:34 GMT -5
Coach Speir is a great man, not a great coach. That is my opinion. I’ve seen better coached teams in HS in North Georgia. A great coach, and Western Alum, is coaching only an hour away from Cullowhee. Go watch Rabun County play.
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Post by hampton on Oct 14, 2018 13:50:14 GMT -5
What I am about to say is my opinion and everyone has a right to their opinion. First of all I want to say that I believe coach Spier is one heck of a spokesman for WCU. I really like the man. Two years ago when people were saying he needed to be fired I felt these people were crazy. Fast forward to last year and I started really paying attention to the coaching and I started to realize we were getting out coached in most all the games. We had experienced players that overcame a lot of bad decisions in my opinion by the coaches. One that we couldn't overcome was the Mercer game that really cost us. There were bad decisions in play calling, defensive coverage, special teams etc. This year when the experienced players left on the defensive side we have been pathetic. I grant you admin. could care less and that's where the problem starts but they are not the ones making the adjustments during the game or getting out coached. This year my opinion is that coach Spier is not ready to be head coach material. He seems to be lost when things break down. I feel this is a realistic view of what is happening and what will continue to happen with the administration and coaching staff until real changes are made from the top down.
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