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Post by purplecat on Nov 28, 2018 20:55:17 GMT -5
After reading this board, the other Catamount message board, and posts on Facebook, there are a significant amount of upset Catamount fans. They are upset about the competitiveness of the athletic programs overall and the football program in specific. While some blame the coaches for the lack of wins, lack of conference championships and playoff opportunities, most blame the "admin" for a lack of competitive funding in the athletic department.
Along with the above, I feel the Catamount Club had the misfortune to announce a membership benefit restructure, at the tail end of a losing football season, when many are dissatisfied with the overall football program anyway.
Some things seem obvious to me, many will show their displeasure of all of the above by:
1. not attending football games
2. not purchasing football season tickets
3. many will reduce their contribution to the Catamount Club
4. some may completely eliminate their contribution to the Catamount Club
What are your feelings about how attendance will go next year, as well as how much donations may decline in 2019-20 after reaching $1.5 million this past year?
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Post by bonsaiburke on Nov 28, 2018 21:04:34 GMT -5
Is there a page on facebook where this stuff is discussed? I only ask because I don't see it on the main WCU athletic or football pages...
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Nov 28, 2018 22:09:32 GMT -5
Is there a page on facebook where this stuff is discussed? I only ask because I don't see it on the main WCU athletic or football pages... There was a post made today by someone who made an @$$ of themselves at the holiday social last night and then got on Facebook to the WCU alumni page and made a 1/2 accurate post. At least one on this board was there and I had talked to some athletic staff about it this morning as well as others who were there to know the truth of what was said. I plan on going up the 11,500 level this coming year. I’m not going to penalize the athletes over the white buildings shortcomings or a bad season. If others are going to retract or decrease their donations you should stop by the campus and tell the athletes themselves. You aren’t hurting Randy, Mark, Ryan or any other coaches. You’re hurting the athletes. |
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Post by WesternFan on Nov 29, 2018 11:17:08 GMT -5
Is there a page on facebook where this stuff is discussed? I only ask because I don't see it on the main WCU athletic or football pages... There was a post made today by someone who made an @$$ of themselves at the holiday social last night and then got on Facebook to the WCU alumni page and made a 1/2 accurate post. At least one on this board was there and I had talked to some athletic staff about it this morning as well as others who were there to know the truth of what was said. I plan on going up the 11,500 level this coming year. I’m not going to penalize the athletes over the white buildings shortcomings or a bad season. If others are going to retract or decrease their donations you should stop by the campus and tell the athletes themselves. You aren’t hurting Randy, Mark, Ryan or any other coaches. You’re hurting the athletes. Look my friend, you have no business telling other people what to do with their money. You do what you'd like with your money, let others do what they like with theirs, your attempt at shaming people just won't work and is pretty shameful in itself. How about you just giving whatever you want to give and leave it to others to make the same decisions for themselves. First of all, folks will not be penalizing the athletes if/when they lower their giving level. The overall athletic budget has basically remained level the last few years, while the Catamount Club donations have gone through the roof, meaning the university has reduced their share of the budget as the CC donations increased. I would guess the new chancellor would just have to make up the difference to keep the budget at the same level. No one has to stop by campus and tell anyone anything about their contributions to the university. It's not penalizing any athletes regardless of the amount any fan contributes. You seem to forget, donations are voluntary. |
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Post by LCACAT on Nov 29, 2018 14:02:12 GMT -5
I plan on moving up a level.
Continue to attend both home and away games.
Will continue to purchase season tickets (football)
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Nov 29, 2018 14:11:31 GMT -5
There was a post made today by someone who made an @$$ of themselves at the holiday social last night and then got on Facebook to the WCU alumni page and made a 1/2 accurate post. At least one on this board was there and I had talked to some athletic staff about it this morning as well as others who were there to know the truth of what was said. I plan on going up the 11,500 level this coming year. I’m not going to penalize the athletes over the white buildings shortcomings or a bad season. If others are going to retract or decrease their donations you should stop by the campus and tell the athletes themselves. You aren’t hurting Randy, Mark, Ryan or any other coaches. You’re hurting the athletes. Look my friend, you have no business telling other people what to do with their money. You do what you'd like with your money, let others do what they like with theirs, your attempt at shaming people just won't work and is pretty shameful in itself. How about you just giving whatever you want to give and leave it to others to make the same decisions for themselves. First of all, folks will not be penalizing the athletes if/when they lower their giving level. The overall athletic budget has basically remained level the last few years, while the Catamount Club donations have gone through the roof, meaning the university has reduced their share of the budget as the CC donations increased. I would guess the new chancellor would just have to make up the difference to keep the budget at the same level. No one has to stop by campus and tell anyone anything about their contributions to the university. It's not penalizing any athletes regardless of the amount any fan contributes. You seem to forget, donations are voluntary. Look my friend, I’ll say whatever I want to say. If you don’t like it don’t read it. I wouldn’t put my trust in the white building to do what’s right monetarily for athletics. I don’t care what the past look like. I’ll put my money where my mouth is and you can do whatever you want to do. I prefer to continue to give more to help athletes each year. Maybe not you personally, but I have heard others who think that It hurts Randy Mark and Ryan by lowering their donation. Just not the case.They want to do it out of spite thinking that will help change things. I deal in facts and being in the know in many different areas of WCU you can fact check me with athletic staff if you’d like. And no i don’t work for the university. I have Board of Trustee contacts, Board of Governor contacts, white building contacts and athletic department contacts so I’ll tell you that I do in fact know what I am talking about. |
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Nov 29, 2018 17:09:02 GMT -5
And by the way, you are hurting the student athletes because not one dollar from the state or school funds the scholarships. It all comes from the fundraising by the catamount club.
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Post by wcu1 on Nov 29, 2018 20:19:43 GMT -5
And by the way, you are hurting the student athletes because not one dollar from the state or school funds the scholarships. It all comes from the fundraising by the catamount club. Enlighting comments. First, thank you. Is there anything that you feel comfortable sharing that most of us have an interest in? Sounds like you have more contacts than most of this board as you are vested. Is the department aware of the strife on this board and among some with admin? Did the share any insight on chancellor search? Facility updates? Track coach? Baseball team updates? Forthcoming changes within coaches in football? |
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Nov 29, 2018 20:49:14 GMT -5
And by the way, you are hurting the student athletes because not one dollar from the state or school funds the scholarships. It all comes from the fundraising by the catamount club. Enlighting comments. First, thank you. Is there anything that you feel comfortable sharing that most of us have an interest in? Sounds like you have more contacts than most of this board as you are vested. Is the department aware of the strife on this board and among some with admin? Did the share any insight on chancellor search? Facility updates? Track coach? Baseball team updates? Forthcoming changes within coaches in football? Specifics, not really, but I will say there are very important people who read this board and they are listening to what is being written. Your comments about administration athletics and the university are not going on deaf ears. But nothing is changed overnight and it’s never fast enough for anyone’s liking. I get that and they know that drives people nuts. The Cat Club’s annual fundraising is what is going to get things done. People want facility upgrades but yet are those same people complaining the most going to pony up some dough, big money or small money, to make it happen? Most likely not. Also if anyone knows how the state works nothing for facilities will be done quickly even if announced. NC is in shambles right now with education as most of us know. Also, as many have heard before, if it doesn’t help our athletes win it’s probably not high on the radar of facility upgrades. Doesn’t mean it will never happen, just means it’s probably not a priority. As far as the chancellor search, I’m not sure exactly where that is but I do know, and have spoken to them, there are a few who do understand the value of athletics to the university. They understand we need a chancellor who is going to do more than give some high fives here and there and actually run the school like a business. Unfortunately they are just advisory roles really since the BOG’s will make the decision on who gets the job. I’ve heard nothing about coaches. That’s probably a tad “higher than my pay grade” allows, per say. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do with their money but every time someone stops their donations it puts the cat club and athletics just a small bit behind and that slows down everything. I truly believe that if the cat club continues to grow at the rates it has in the years past we will start to see the changes we all want. If we had a better year in football probably none of us would be even talking about reducing donations or arguing over who should be fired etc. |
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Post by jim64 on Dec 1, 2018 16:19:07 GMT -5
Enlighting comments. First, thank you. Is there anything that you feel comfortable sharing that most of us have an interest in? Sounds like you have more contacts than most of this board as you are vested. Is the department aware of the strife on this board and among some with admin? Did the share any insight on chancellor search? Facility updates? Track coach? Baseball team updates? Forthcoming changes within coaches in football? Specifics, not really, but I will say there are very important people who read this board and they are listening to what is being written. Your comments about administration athletics and the university are not going on deaf ears. But nothing is changed overnight and it’s never fast enough for anyone’s liking. I get that and they know that drives people nuts. The Cat Club’s annual fundraising is what is going to get things done. People want facility upgrades but yet are those same people complaining the most going to pony up some dough, big money or small money, to make it happen? Most likely not. Also if anyone knows how the state works nothing for facilities will be done quickly even if announced. NC is in shambles right now with education as most of us know. Also, as many have heard before, if it doesn’t help our athletes win it’s probably not high on the radar of facility upgrades. Doesn’t mean it will never happen, just means it’s probably not a priority. As far as the chancellor search, I’m not sure exactly where that is but I do know, and have spoken to them, there are a few who do understand the value of athletics to the university. They understand we need a chancellor who is going to do more than give some high fives here and there and actually run the school like a business. Unfortunately they are just advisory roles really since the BOG’s will make the decision on who gets the job. I’ve heard nothing about coaches. That’s probably a tad “higher than my pay grade” allows, per say. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do with their money but every time someone stops their donations it puts the cat club and athletics just a small bit behind and that slows down everything. I truly believe that if the cat club continues to grow at the rates it has in the years past we will start to see the changes we all want. If we had a better year in football probably none of us would be even talking about reducing donations or arguing over who should be fired etc. 07, what happens to the WCU’s Students Activity’s Fees that are supposed to help fund Athletics at WCU? Why is the University’s support for Athletics is one of the Lowest among Public Institutions in NC. The last Budget Number I saw was around $500,000 per year. Why is App State getting more financial support from their Admin than WCU? I personally do not think it should be the responsibility of the Catamount Club to fund Scholarships for the Athletic Teams. It is the responsibility of the University to provide the Scholarships & not use alumni giving to the Catamount Club as a Welfare Program for Athletics at WCU. The Catamount Club should be in a supporting role & not the biggest contributor to funding Athletics at WCU. I respect your support for WCU Athletics & the hard work that the Catamount Club does for the Student Athletes at WCU. Western is one of the largest schools in the SoCon & has the highest Home Football Attendance in the SoCon and still can’t compete against small private colleges that are not much bigger than large High School. Since the Catamount Club is a major financial supporter for Athletic Funding at WCU, why aren’t you & the other movers & shakers in the Club raising hell about the lack of fund support by the University? I think it is about time for the Catamount Club to flex it’s financial muscle with WCU’s Administration. Based on what was said in Winston-Salem, WCU’s primary responsibility is academics. This suggests to me that WCU’s Academics & Athletics can not successfully coexist. The small schools in the SoCon would say that is a big lie & just an excuse not to support Athletics at WCU. These little schools cost more to attend & their academic ratings are higher than WCU. App State has blown WCU in the wind Athletically & Academically because of the excuse ridden responses by an Administration that has been one of the most backward thinking Administrations in the State of NC that has a Football Program. It is fairly common knowledge that Academic Types hate Football Coaches that are highly paid. However, I think Coach Satterfield at ASU gets paid more than the Chancellor and does not cause Academic Ulcers at that Institution. |
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