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Post by The Cats on Nov 20, 2022 14:05:47 GMT -5
If there was ever a reason for the powers that be to re-consider expansion beyond 9 football schools, just look at this seasons at-large FCS selections...
CAA 5 in the playoffs
Big Sky 5 in the playoffs
MVFC 3 in the playoffs
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Post by jim68 on Nov 20, 2022 16:48:01 GMT -5
If there was ever a reason for the powers that be to re-consider expansion beyond 9 football schools, just look at this seasons at-large FCS selections...  Want happen as long as the SoCon has the same small schools blocking expansion & controlling the SoCon. |
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 20, 2022 17:28:26 GMT -5
Chatt would have been the 3rd team from the SoCon if we had not beaten then. They had the resume. Mercer lost to Chatt so they were never in the discussion. I don’t think the Pioneer league should get a bid. The worst team in the SoCon would beat them. Agree on expansion though. At least we got 2 teams in this year. Western will have to win the SoCon to ever get in. We could go 10 and 1 and beat an FBS school and lose one conference game and we would not get an at large bid.
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Post by wcatradio75 on Nov 20, 2022 17:32:07 GMT -5
Chatt would have been the 3rd team from the SoCon if we had not beaten then. They had the resume. Mercer lost to Chatt so they were never in the discussion. I don’t think the Pioneer league should get a bid. The worst team in the SoCon would beat them. Agree on expansion though. At least we got 2 teams in this year. Western will have to win the SoCon to ever get in. We could go 10 and 1 and beat an FBS school and lose one conference game and we would not get an at large bid. Get back on your meds FL!  I know you're being (just a little) sarcastic, but I had to bust your chops... You are correct in that we don't get respect - but then again - you have to earn it. What I don't get is the SoCon refs consistently giving us the shaft. Yesterday was better, but Coach was pretty hot on one of the PI calls. Thought he'd get another Unsportsmanlike Conduct call. |
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Post by jim68 on Nov 20, 2022 18:15:37 GMT -5
Chatt would have been the 3rd team from the SoCon if we had not beaten then. They had the resume. Mercer lost to Chatt so they were never in the discussion. I don’t think the Pioneer league should get a bid. The worst team in the SoCon would beat them. Agree on expansion though. At least we got 2 teams in this year. Western will have to win the SoCon to ever get in. We could go 10 and 1 and beat an FBS school and lose one conference game and we would not get an at large bid. Get back on your meds FL! I know you're being (just a little) sarcastic, but I had to bust your chops... You are correct in that we don't get respect - but then again - you have to earn it. What I don't get is the SoCon refs consistently giving us the shaft. Yesterday was better, but Coach was pretty hot on one of the PI calls. Thought he'd get another Unsportsmanlike Conduct call. I agree with most of Fla’s comments. You have to ask two questions, what do the other conferences know that we don’t know & what kind of biases exist on the FCS Selection Committee. I think that UTC, Samford, and Furman should have represented the SoCon in the playoffs. You should notice the pairing our teams are matched up with. We should expand the Conference so no team would have no more than 1 out of conference game. This would give each team in the SoCon the opportunity to play one Power 5 team or play another non conference team. I don’t think the SoCon will ever get more than 1 or 2 teams in the FCS playoffs until the SoCon adds more teams. I also think that Power 5 teams will stop scheduling FCS Schools and play teams in the G5 Conferences instead. |
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Post by The Cats on Nov 20, 2022 18:42:35 GMT -5
Get back on your meds FL! I know you're being (just a little) sarcastic, but I had to bust your chops... You are correct in that we don't get respect - but then again - you have to earn it. What I don't get is the SoCon refs consistently giving us the shaft. Yesterday was better, but Coach was pretty hot on one of the PI calls. Thought he'd get another Unsportsmanlike Conduct call. I agree with most of Fla’s comments. You have to ask two questions, what do the other conferences know that we don’t know & what kind of biases exist on the FCS Selection Committee. I think that UTC, Samford, and Furman should have represented the SoCon in the playoffs. You should notice the pairing our teams are matched up with. It also tells you something that our Conference Champ were ranked 6th in the Nation. We should expand the Conference so no team would have no more than 1 out of conference game. This would give each team in the SoCon to play one Power 5 team or play another non conference team. I don’t think the SoCon will ever get more than 1 or 2 teams in the FCS playoffs until the SoCon adds more teams. I also think that Power 5 teams will start to not scheduling FCS Schools and play teams in the G5 Conferences instead. Prior to this season I was against expansion, but seeing what the CAA, Big Sky, and MVFC have done with expanded membership, we are now at a distinct disadvantage, because we play every other team in the conference, nad knock each other off. IMPO, both Chattanooga and Mercer should both have gotten in. There are four other 7-4 teams picked for the playoffs, and two of the 4 teams are in 6th place in their respective conference (Mercer & UTC tied for 3rd in the SoCon), and their SOS is as good, if not better than the other four 7-4 teams that were picked Obviously, SoCon team need to go deeper into the playoff field (not get knocked out in the first round) to earn the respect needed to get multiple at-large bids. Getting multiple teams in each year increases the chances of this happening, the current SoCon members will not get any benefit of doubt in selection, until this happens. If the SoCon powers that be refuse to expansion, the SoCon should do what the MEAC & SWAC did, not participate in the playoffs. They should recruit another conference or two and create their own bowl game (similar to the Celebration Bowl). We're getting nothing out of he current FCS playoff structure as it is now... |
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Post by jim68 on Nov 20, 2022 19:49:32 GMT -5
I agree with most of Fla’s comments. You have to ask two questions, what do the other conferences know that we don’t know & what kind of biases exist on the FCS Selection Committee. I think that UTC, Samford, and Furman should have represented the SoCon in the playoffs. You should notice the pairing our teams are matched up with. It also tells you something that our Conference Champ were ranked 6th in the Nation. We should expand the Conference so no team would have no more than 1 out of conference game. This would give each team in the SoCon to play one Power 5 team or play another non conference team. I don’t think the SoCon will ever get more than 1 or 2 teams in the FCS playoffs until the SoCon adds more teams. I also think that Power 5 teams will start to not scheduling FCS Schools and play teams in the G5 Conferences instead. Prior to this season I was against expansion, but seeing what the CAA, Big Sky, and MVFC have done with expanded membership, we are now at a distinct disadvantage, because we play every other team in the conference, nad knock each other off. IMPO, both Chattanooga and Mercer should both have gotten in. There are four other 7-4 teams picked for the playoffs, and two of the 4 teams are in 6th place in their respective conference (Mercer & UTC tied for 3rd in the SoCon), and their SOS is as good, if not better than the other four 7-4 teams that were picked Obviously, SoCon team need to go deeper into the playoff field (not get knocked out in the first round) to earn the respect needed to get multiple at-large bids. Getting multiple teams in each year increases the chances of this happening, the current SoCon members will not get any benefit of doubt in selection, until this happens. If the SoCon powers that be refuse to expansion, the SoCon should do what the MEAC & SWAC did, not participate in the playoffs. They should recruit another conference or two and create their own bowl game (similar to the Celebration Bowl). We're getting nothing out of he current FCS playoff structure as it is now... Since App State & Ga Southern left the SoCon, the Selection Committee has treated the SoCon like a very weak conference. They carefully pair the SoCon against the top ranked schools in the 2nd round. Right now the playoffs are stacked against the SoCon. |
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Post by jim68 on Nov 20, 2022 21:08:15 GMT -5
I agree with most of Fla’s comments. You have to ask two questions, what do the other conferences know that we don’t know & what kind of biases exist on the FCS Selection Committee. I think that UTC, Samford, and Furman should have represented the SoCon in the playoffs. You should notice the pairing our teams are matched up with. It also tells you something that our Conference Champ were ranked 6th in the Nation. We should expand the Conference so no team would have no more than 1 out of conference game. This would give each team in the SoCon to play one Power 5 team or play another non conference team. I don’t think the SoCon will ever get more than 1 or 2 teams in the FCS playoffs until the SoCon adds more teams. I also think that Power 5 teams will start to not scheduling FCS Schools and play teams in the G5 Conferences instead. Prior to this season I was against expansion, but seeing what the CAA, Big Sky, and MVFC have done with expanded membership, we are now at a distinct disadvantage, because we play every other team in the conference, nad knock each other off. IMPO, both Chattanooga and Mercer should both have gotten in. There are four other 7-4 teams picked for the playoffs, and two of the 4 teams are in 6th place in their respective conference (Mercer & UTC tied for 3rd in the SoCon), and their SOS is as good, if not better than the other four 7-4 teams that were picked Obviously, SoCon team need to go deeper into the playoff field (not get knocked out in the first round) to earn the respect needed to get multiple at-large bids. Getting multiple teams in each year increases the chances of this happening, the current SoCon members will not get any benefit of doubt in selection, until this happens. If the SoCon powers that be refuse to expansion, the SoCon should do what the MEAC & SWAC did, not participate in the playoffs. They should recruit another conference or two and create their own bowl game (similar to the Celebration Bowl). We're getting nothing out of he current FCS playoff structure as it is now... Someone needs to ask the UTC AD why so many teams in three conferences have the lions share “13 teams” of the 24 teams in the playoffs. Mark Wharton is our representative on this committee. He should report back to the SoCon on why three conferences are given preferential treatment over all the other conferences in the FCS. We had 4 teams that should have been selected for the playoffs. These three conferences are basically making sure they’ll have one of their teams in the finals. It is kinda like the ACC in basketball, they have generally a high number of teams in the NCAA Basketball Tournament & you can almost guarantee that one of their teams will make the final 4. This is exactly what is happening in the FCS Playoffs. If you want a true Champion, select only the Conference Champions & have no teams at large. None Scholarship Schools should be placed in Division 2 & not be allowed to participate in the FCS Playoffs. It should also have the top 24 ranked FCS Teams. If your school is not in the 24 top teams, you get no bid to play to the playoffs. This is kinda like what the Power 5 schools use to determine the final 4 teams in their playoffs. |
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Post by wcatradio75 on Nov 20, 2022 22:58:11 GMT -5
Guys - If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. Until the SoCon can go deep in the playoffs, we are not going to get three or four teams in. Someone mentioned we get paired against the higher ranking teams. Those teams are from conferences that beat each other up like we do. Having more teams in the conference doesn't guarantee you'll get more bids. We need to prove our strength by winning in the tournament. Both Samford and Furman have brackets where they could end up in the quarter finals and beyond. Granted Samford has the tougher road, but they earned a first round bye - which seed would you want them to be at?
If we had 11 teams like Big Sky, and the top 5 were of similar strength - we would still need to be able to have one or two of those get to the semi-finals and finals - like Big Sky. We'll see how they finish up this year. It's tough that neither UTC or Mercer got in - I agree. But in the past - the SoCon has had a tough time just getting past teams like KSU, let alone a Montana, SFA, or NDSU.
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Post by The Cats on Nov 21, 2022 14:21:46 GMT -5
This is not good news about the selection committee - seems that's other reasons to select a team besides their on field record...
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I know you're being (just a little) sarcastic, but I had to bust your chops...