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Post by jim68 on Dec 12, 2023 22:07:09 GMT -5
Right now I can’t stand the Bells. They used Tusculum College as a feeder school for WCU. Now they are using WCU as a feeder school for Pitt. It is one thing for Players to enter the Portal but it is another thing for an X Coach to offer scholarships to existing players to follow him. I firmly believe that Cole will be heading north. If you are going to take a star receiver & running back, it makes more sense for Kade to grab the QB that makes his offense work. Remember the Bells brought in their previous & experienced QB to run their RPO offense in their first year in Cullowhee. All of this must be taking its toll on Kerwin Bell. It has to be having impact on recruiting & having to rebuild his program because his son is taking his key players. You can rest assured Kerwin will look after his son even if it hurts WCU & the success of the Football Program. You can forget SoCon Championships & playoffs appearances. Bell will not have a good year this coming year because of the turmoil created by Kade & the killer schedule next season.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Dec 13, 2023 7:35:01 GMT -5
Cole is not leaving. Has committed to his teammates. Adams and C. Reid back is good, but don’t forget about the return of Corey Reddick. Look at his 2022 stats as a True Freshman. He was concussed against GT, came back a couple games later, but still wasn’t right. Redshirted last year due to lingering effects. As for Fleming, don’t expect too much. Didn’t play last year due to work ethic causing him to not make the depth chart. In HS, yes he was more talented than everyone, but in college, you have to work even harder and that didn’t happen. Hopefully he changes that mindset and can be an asset next year along with Jones, Tamarez, Colombo, and Booker. I don’t think I’d put my money on Cole not leaving unless you are directly Involved with him/his family. His name has been talked about as going with Kade. Do you really think Cole has the ability to start at QB for Pitt? He is good at our level but he is a bit undersized and slow for P5 competition. I am not an expert by any stretch but Pitt probably has a QB room full of 4 star recruits. Not saying that he is not a good QB for us but not sure if he can really compete at that level.
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Post by LCACAT on Dec 13, 2023 8:25:09 GMT -5
Sure seems to be a lot of Chicken Littles posting! The sky isn't falling because Cincere, Dez and Kade left. Starting with Cincere, he is a great receiver but our WR room is loaded with really good players who just need to shine now. With Dez, as great as he was when he was healthy, in his 2 years as a Catamount he hasn't played much more than half a season healthy. Also we have some good RB's that will have to step up now. It has been obvious that Kade was going to get a bigger job since last year. It is only natural that players will follow him, it happens all the time now. But we lost Kade not Kerwin, he is the mastermind behind the offense, he's the draw for players coming to the Whee. I saw a post on another thread where that poster said he hated the Bell's, that they were trying to dismantle the team. LOL, Kerwin likes to win way too much to dismantle the team. He just hired a new DC that looks to be a very good hire. So for all the Chicken Littles, lets see how the National Signing Day goes, as well as Portal signings and then Spring Practice before we jump off the cliff!!
GO CATS!!
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Post by Speedwell Cat on Dec 13, 2023 8:35:26 GMT -5
Well put. Conspiracy theories getting a little out of hand
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Dec 13, 2023 8:56:03 GMT -5
I don’t think the sky is falling and I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories but in this case, one would be naive to think that this all happened like this by happenstance. Do you not believe that Kade told Pitt to offer Sincere and Reid while still employed by Western? Do you not believe that Kade approached Reid and Lee on behalf of Pitt while still employed by Western and told them he was leaving and asked them to come with him? Do you not believe that Kade talked to his dad before and while this was all happening? Do you really believe this was all a coincidence? NCAA rules state that the player has to enter the portal before the player can be contacted by any representative from any school. Do you believe that Lee and Reid would be transferring if Kade was not leaving? To me this is common sense and not a conspiracy theory. We all know what happened.
I think we will be fine as a football team, but I don’t like how this all went down. I expect things to be done above board and by the rules. Kerwin has allowed this to happen because Kade is his son plain and simple and I am not willing to look the other way and say, he is a great coach, etc. I have been a big supporter of Coach Bell, but I don’t like it when folks are not honest and above board in their dealings and bend or break rules. To me that is dishonest behavior and that is something I cannot abide.
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Post by LCACAT on Dec 13, 2023 9:05:00 GMT -5
I don’t think the sky is falling and I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories but in this case, one would be naive to think that this all happened like this by happenstance. Do you not believe that Kade told Pitt to offer Sincere and Reid while still employed by Western? Do you not believe that Kade approached Reid and Lee on behalf of Pitt while still employed by Western and told them he was leaving and asked them to come with him? Do you not believe that Kade talked to his dad before and while this was all happening? Do you really believe this was all a coincidence? NCAA rules state that the player has to enter the portal before the player can be contacted by any representative from any school. Do you believe that Lee and Reid would be transferring if Kade was not leaving? To me this is common sense and not a conspiracy theory. We all know what happened. I think we will be fine as a football team, but I don’t like how this all went down. I expect things to be done above board and by the rules. Kerwin has allowed this to happen because Kade is his son plain and simple and I am not willing to look the other way and say, he is a great coach, etc. I have been a big supporter of Coach Bell, but I don’t like it when folks are not honest and above board in their dealings and bend or break rules. To me that is dishonest behavior and that is something I cannot abide. No I do not believe he did that, the offer from Pitt for Dez just came, he already had 5 or 6 other offers, he's at CCU today. Yes I believe Dez and Cincere would be leaving if Kade was staying. These young men were victims of the portal while in High School, the big schools aren't going to take a chance on a High School player if they can get a player that is already in college via the portal. The sooner everyone wakes up to this fact, especially the FCS and G5 FBS teams the better. If what you're saying is true and if you honestly think Kerwin knew and condoned it then you should call Alex Gary today and demand that he be fired!!
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Dec 13, 2023 9:15:05 GMT -5
I don’t think the sky is falling and I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories but in this case, one would be naive to think that this all happened like this by happenstance. Do you not believe that Kade told Pitt to offer Sincere and Reid while still employed by Western? Do you not believe that Kade approached Reid and Lee on behalf of Pitt while still employed by Western and told them he was leaving and asked them to come with him? Do you not believe that Kade talked to his dad before and while this was all happening? Do you really believe this was all a coincidence? NCAA rules state that the player has to enter the portal before the player can be contacted by any representative from any school. Do you believe that Lee and Reid would be transferring if Kade was not leaving? To me this is common sense and not a conspiracy theory. We all know what happened. I think we will be fine as a football team, but I don’t like how this all went down. I expect things to be done above board and by the rules. Kerwin has allowed this to happen because Kade is his son plain and simple and I am not willing to look the other way and say, he is a great coach, etc. I have been a big supporter of Coach Bell, but I don’t like it when folks are not honest and above board in their dealings and bend or break rules. To me that is dishonest behavior and that is something I cannot abide. No I do not believe he did that, the offer from Pitt for Dez just came, he already had 5 or 6 other offers, he's at CCU today. Yes I believe Dez and Cincere would be leaving if Kade was staying. These young men were victims of the portal while in High School, the big schools aren't going to take a chance on a High School player if they can get a player that is already in college via the portal. The sooner everyone wakes up to this fact, especially the FCS and G5 FBS teams the better. If what you're saying is true and if you honestly think Kerwin knew and condoned it then you should call Alex Gary today and demand that he be fired!! I never said anyone should be fired but I am not naive. You believe this is all a coincidence and I do not believe that. We will have to agree to disagree. It’s happened now and we have to live with it. I think we will be fine if we do not have further defections. As far as Alex goes, I am sure he is involved with all of this and justified by doing the right thing for the student athlete, blah, blah, blah. After all Alex is not a graduate of WCU and left Western because he did not get along with Coach Raleigh. I personally believe that Western is always the best place for all student athletes because I am a Catamount that actually graduated from Western. Again, we will be fine and I do not believe the sky is falling.
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Post by Catback on Dec 13, 2023 9:57:24 GMT -5
Sure seems to be a lot of Chicken Littles posting! The sky isn't falling because Cincere, Dez and Kade left. Starting with Cincere, he is a great receiver but our WR room is loaded with really good players who just need to shine now. With Dez, as great as he was when he was healthy, in his 2 years as a Catamount he hasn't played much more than half a season healthy. Also we have some good RB's that will have to step up now. It has been obvious that Kade was going to get a bigger job since last year. It is only natural that players will follow him, it happens all the time now. But we lost Kade not Kerwin, he is the mastermind behind the offense, he's the draw for players coming to the Whee. I saw a post on another thread where that poster said he hated the Bell's, that they were trying to dismantle the team. LOL, Kerwin likes to win way too much to dismantle the team. He just hired a new DC that looks to be a very good hire. So for all the Chicken Littles, lets see how the National Signing Day goes, as well as Portal signings and then Spring Practice before we jump off the cliff!! GO CATS!! Excellent post.
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Post by Speedwell Cat on Dec 13, 2023 10:13:26 GMT -5
Seems pretty clear via Pittsburgh media that Kade didn't come in as the first choice, although he eventually got the job. That would preclude him having planned to take players way in advance through some sort of scheme - he didn't know he had the job until fairly recently.
And Lee and Reid haven't committed to Pitt, although it seems probable they'd give it a shot.
As a side note, Kade arrived at Western with a treasure trove of Tusculum Pioneers: Raphael Williams, Christian Coulter, Ajay Bellinger and lord knows how many more. I'd have to look back, but I don't remember too many complaints on here.
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Post by Catback on Dec 13, 2023 10:40:02 GMT -5
Exactly!
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