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Post by watty770 on Sept 30, 2013 13:22:34 GMT -5
I agree. There are Juniors and Seniors that should be on the field.
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Post by wcudad2011 on Oct 1, 2013 9:53:31 GMT -5
I think Randy and the administration hired Speir because he helped build a good FCS program that won championships. I agree with the ones who say it took years to tear the program down and it will take years to build it back up. I also agree with those who say improvement needs to be seen. Boy am I an agreeable guy. So how does that happen, I disagree that we were left with no talent on the squad, I think the upper classmen who have had to go through what they did with the Wagner administration have a lot to offer on and off the field. A mix of players need to be used. Don't play youth just to get them ready for next year. I'm not saying youth is bad just play them appropriately. As for a black coach, I would much rather have them hire the most qualified coach, black, brown, white, orange, green, I don't think color matters as long as they know what they are doing and the boys are confident in them. The only concern I have is that what changes in players that need to be made are not prevented because of coaches' pride not letting them make them. I am here to support the team and will do so.
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Post by catwoman on Oct 3, 2013 20:52:22 GMT -5
There's a few red-shirt sophomores recruited by Wags that need to see more of the field in addition to the juniors and seniors riding the bench...just my opinion but we gotta do something! Really sad to see the freshman is getting the start over Jeff Moore...I knew it was coming but depressing none the less. Jeff's a work horse, dependable, and catches 99% of the balls that are thrown his way. Maybe Jeff is hurt or there's something I don't know?
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Post by catamountalum94 on Oct 4, 2013 16:37:30 GMT -5
Asking for a black coach is like saying you want an indian coach or a female coach. it doesn't matter. I'm with dad the jr and Sr players are just as good to beat the teams we play this year. I want Spier to play this best players to win not the ones he promised play time. remember, the players that high perform in games may not always be the top performers in practice. Got to get them in the games. I think Randy and the administration hired Speir because he helped build a good FCS program that won championships. I agree with the ones who say it took years to tear the program down and it will take years to build it back up. I also agree with those who say improvement needs to be seen. Boy am I an agreeable guy. So how does that happen, I disagree that we were left with no talent on the squad, I think the upper classmen who have had to go through what they did with the Wagner administration have a lot to offer on and off the field. A mix of players need to be used. Don't play youth just to get them ready for next year. I'm not saying youth is bad just play them appropriately. As for a black coach, I would much rather have them hire the most qualified coach, black, brown, white, orange, green, I don't think color matters as long as they know what they are doing and the boys are confident in them. The only concern I have is that what changes in players that need to be made are not prevented because of coaches' pride not letting them make them. I am here to support the team and will do so.
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Post by wcuecu2010 on Oct 8, 2013 11:26:15 GMT -5
I think the issues with Catamount are a lot deeper than coaching, etc and its going to take awhile for the football program to become a winning program again.
We have not been to the playoffs since 1983 when we made the championship game. When Bob Waters got sick and was forced out a lot of Catamount Supporters gave up on the program and I am not sure how many have returned over the years but we have had only a few winning seasons since then and no playoffs.
Recruiting is affected by our chronic history of losing, sure we get good players from time to time (Brad Hoover and more) but most players want to compete for championships or play for a well known program even in the FCS ranks. So coaches have their work cut out for them to explain why WCU is worth playing for but getting one diamond in the rough may help win a game or two but does not really help the complete season overall.
Also, i think we are one of the poorest teams athletically in SoCon, if so, it is hard to compete against other schools with more resources, the former chancellor did athletics no favors and did not care about sports, however, our current chancellor seems to understand athletics are important for the university as a whole, but how many years damage. how deep is our hole now?
I think needing the money is why we are playing so many FBS schools lately, more than most FCS schools (exception ODU who is moving up). I do not know how many more years we will continue to do so but AD Eaton addressed it earlier that these games were essential for our revenue.
On Speir, I do not know how good a head coach he is, but he seems to be repairing some old relationships with alumni, high schools and more which is a start, Is he better than Wagner, I think so, better than Briggs, Bleil, etc only time will tell, but I hope so. He has only been on the job 2 years and his recruits are not fully in the system, most are Wagners recruits and despite how good or bad the quality of recruits are from Wagner, a new coach, new system will have its impact. Usually it takes about 4 years for a coach and his recruits to start performing at their full potential. But we are so deep in a whole, getting better may mean going 4-7 or 8 and winning a few quality conference games before we threaten for the SoCon title or playoff run.
Like Speir said, they need to learn how to win first, so it may be baby steps, lets focus on getting a conference win first to stop our horrible losing streak, then focus on beating a team we should not beat, then carry that into next season, winning can be contagious, if theu figure out how to win.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by catamountsfan98 on Oct 8, 2013 21:30:58 GMT -5
I think the issues with Catamount are a lot deeper than coaching, etc and its going to take awhile for the football program to become a winning program again. We have not been to the playoffs since 1983 when we made the championship game. When Bob Waters got sick and was forced out a lot of Catamount Supporters gave up on the program and I am not sure how many have returned over the years but we have had only a few winning seasons since then and no playoffs. Recruiting is affected by our chronic history of losing, sure we get good players from time to time (Brad Hoover and more) but most players want to compete for championships or play for a well known program even in the FCS ranks. So coaches have their work cut out for them to explain why WCU is worth playing for but getting one diamond in the rough may help win a game or two but does not really help the complete season overall. Also, i think we are one of the poorest teams athletically in SoCon, if so, it is hard to compete against other schools with more resources, the former chancellor did athletics no favors and did not care about sports, however, our current chancellor seems to understand athletics are important for the university as a whole, but how many years damage. how deep is our hole now? I think needing the money is why we are playing so many FBS schools lately, more than most FCS schools (exception ODU who is moving up). I do not know how many more years we will continue to do so but AD Eaton addressed it earlier that these games were essential for our revenue. On Speir, I do not know how good a head coach he is, but he seems to be repairing some old relationships with alumni, high schools and more which is a start, Is he better than Wagner, I think so, better than Briggs, Bleil, etc only time will tell, but I hope so. He has only been on the job 2 years and his recruits are not fully in the system, most are Wagners recruits and despite how good or bad the quality of recruits are from Wagner, a new coach, new system will have its impact. Usually it takes about 4 years for a coach and his recruits to start performing at their full potential. But we are so deep in a whole, getting better may mean going 4-7 or 8 and winning a few quality conference games before we threaten for the SoCon title or playoff run. Like Speir said, they need to learn how to win first, so it may be baby steps, lets focus on getting a conference win first to stop our horrible losing streak, then focus on beating a team we should not beat, then carry that into next season, winning can be contagious, if theu figure out how to win. Just my 2 cents Nice post!
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Post by sylvacat on Oct 9, 2013 7:50:00 GMT -5
I think emotions get in the way at times, it takes grit to cheer for a losing program year in and year out but I agree the above post was very thought out and I agree with pretty much all that was said
Coach Speir himself stated how much more difficult recruiting is at WCU than it was at APPY. It will take years to rebuild this and I know I for one have been overly optimistic at how long a process it will be. I think the AD and the Chancellor understand that as well. Basketball is above average and always in the mix for the conference title and baseball has a winning history as well does the track and field. We will need these programs to keep winning and use them as an anchor to help lift the football program.
I do think we will still get Elon, Furman and App as wins this year. We came so close against El Cid and it is not uncommon to see a team play down such as we did against Mars Hill. WCU football is on the right track as is the SoCon, I really dont see jumping ship to say the Pioneer league as fixing the problem. We are all frustrated but the wins will come in time, it is going to take a full 4-5 years of recruits and repairing a lot of the damage that has been done will not happen overnight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 8:57:51 GMT -5
If time is the answer, we should have kept Kent Briggs. On that basis, we'd be winning SoCon Championships by now.
Right now, we are in the situation we were in Wagner's second season, hopeful for a turn around. It didn't happen because Wagner did not have the right assistant coaches to get the job done, and he was too arrogant to make changes once it became apparent changes were needed. Having the right coaches in place DOES make a difference. Look at what happened in Chattanooga, they were down almost as much as Western when Huesman came in, they had an almost immediate turn around Look at Gardner-Webb and Charleston Southern, no one can tell me that they have better athletes than WCU.
I hope Speir does not follow in Wagner's footsteps. But, up to this point, he's gone step for step by Wagner's game plan for losing.
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Post by wcudad2011 on Oct 9, 2013 15:56:51 GMT -5
wcu72, Agreed, funny how one can say 5 years isn't a long time but 5 years isn't a long time to turn a program that has been beat down so long around but we are a year and a half into this coaching staff and some quick evaluations need to be made by the head coach. I just read somewhere that on most teams that have a descent amount of coaches the head coach isn't really involved in the play calling or day to day operations and that is true, his job is to assess whether his staff is doing the right things to get the team where they need to be. I think Speir is the right man for the job and hope he is doing that right now with a critical eye.
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