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Post by mywifeisaheel on Oct 6, 2018 19:39:37 GMT -5
“administration will play.”
Pay is a factor when trying to hire established assistant coaches. I agree with FL.
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 6, 2018 19:42:04 GMT -5
I think a blind man could see our D is crap. How do you even say the coaches don't need to be fired. We just lost to a team with one win all year and they hung 66 on our D. You seem happy that is was only 66. Did you really say they should improve as the year goes on? They have gotten worse each game not better. Why do some alums not hold the crappy product accountable? This game was unacceptable. There is no way around it. Anyone who says it's fine, it's ok is part of the problem. If the white building knows we will sit back and be ok with no funding and a team who gets 66 points dropped on them then of course we will never get full funding for sports. It would be like if i was hiring someone and i knew they would take 8 dollars an hour why would i pay them 20 an hour? Low expectations breed low results, plain and simple. I expect a playoff team every year and a team that will win the Socon and be in the hunt for a N.C. we are so far from a championship we might as well be coached by Wagner. I guarantee the attendance is getting ready to drop in a major way No one is getting fired or needs to be fired. You guys need to stop with all the crap about firing coaches and us having bad players. First, the players are 18-22 year old kids who are trying to win. The coaches get paid and it is their job to fix this, but you fair weather fans just make things worse with your arm chair quarterbacking. Coach Speir is a good coach and in the long run he is the right man for Western. According to you guys, we should fire all the coaches now and start over immediately. Western's main problem in the last 40 years has been the revolving door of coaches. We will be better next year and we will probably improve this year. Maybe we should see if Nick Saben wants to leave Alabama and come to Western to coach. It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee, but according to you guys, if we fire all the assistants, we will start winning immediately. Coach Wiley is in his second year and we are running the 3-4 defense which was just installed last year. He has had one year to get the kind of players he wants to run the defense. w
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 6, 2018 19:46:52 GMT -5
Also i am not a fairweather fan but i will not accept a bad product and the team this year esp the D and S.T. are a bad product. I hate when people say we can not win or we can not get good coaches in the Whee. How do the teams like South Dakota or North Dakota or even Montana get coaches and players? There are alot of rural teams in FCS that win alot and win often like every year and they do it so why can't we? Most likely because the expectations when it comes to winning are high at those schools with the admin and the alumni/boosters unlike Western where we are ok with participation ribbons
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Post by hampton on Oct 6, 2018 20:01:05 GMT -5
I have heard all my life that you get what you pay for. I think we are seeing this in action and I think that the administration couldn't be happier both past and present.
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Post by Sam on Oct 6, 2018 20:19:44 GMT -5
I guarantee the attendance is getting ready to drop in a major way No one is getting fired or needs to be fired. You guys need to stop with all the crap about firing coaches and us having bad players. First, the players are 18-22 year old kids who are trying to win. The coaches get paid and it is their job to fix this, but you fair weather fans just make things worse with your arm chair quarterbacking. Coach Speir is a good coach and in the long run he is the right man for Western. According to you guys, we should fire all the coaches now and start over immediately. Western's main problem in the last 40 years has been the revolving door of coaches. We will be better next year and we will probably improve this year. Maybe we should see if Nick Saben wants to leave Alabama and come to Western to coach. It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee, but according to you guys, if we fire all the assistants, we will start winning immediately. Coach Wiley is in his second year and we are running the 3-4 defense which was just installed last year. He has had one year to get the kind of players he wants to run the defense. --------------------------------------------- " It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee." Ain't that the truth. Ask yourself why? Well, I think it's quite clear our University doesn't hold having a successful football program as being a priority. I don't know why that's the case but it is and it's why we suck and have basically sucked since the 80's (when I say suck I mean overall we've sucked. How many titles or playoffs runs folks? We've sucked the big one). The excuses about location? Nobody buys that excuse who has a brain and can reason. I can name 20 college teams in BFE who are successful - one of which is in Boone and one powerhouse who wears orange on gameday and is located just an hr or so south of Cullowhee in the middle of nowhere. Our recruits last year were sub-par (the stars do matter folks, don't kid yourselves). We aren't spending on infrastructure. University priorities have been somewhere else for a long time. I am not sure why but it's just the case in Cullowhee and I've unfortunately grown to accept it. I graduated in 1998 and we've basically sucked since that time and I've dealt with it and will continue to do so, however, the one fact that really astounds me and just plain hurts is when I see the Kenssaw States, Mercers, and ETSU's blow by us on the way up. I can make 50 excuses as to why they might be more successful and try to validate it and make it 'ok'.....but it ain't. It ain't ok and further supports my opinion the University doesn't hold the success of our sports programs as a high priority. Moving back to the "It's not easy to win in Cullowhee" comment - I think coach Speir does the best he can and I think coach Wiley does too. They do the best they can with what they've got. I think the University is gambling - gambling on every coaching hire offering sub-par salaries to folks with no head coach experience (look at current football and basketball coaches folks) with the hopes one coach will take WCU to the 'promise land' like the Cindarella story that happened in Boone. That crap's a fairy tale and our 40 years of sucking prove it - hell, you might as well go to the casino and gamble that way your odds are about the same. You get what you pay for folks and we could fill a graveyard with the tombstones of our losing football coaches. Make room for Speir. PS - I've been a member of this board under catamountsfan98 for many years lurking, reading, watching, supporting Western and hoping for a miracle. I will continue to do so but sometimes I feel like Charlie Brown right before he tries to kick that football old Lucy is holding.... w
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Post by ScooterCat on Oct 6, 2018 20:21:51 GMT -5
Elon just beat a powerhouse JMU squad. Their coach has quickly turned around a program that had really hit the skids. Davidson, which has been horrific, is now 5 and 1 with a brand new coach. In fact, they scored 91 points three weeks ago using a brand new offensive scheme. What’s the common denominator in both these cases? It is coaching, plain and simple, and that is why Western needs a new HC. It is very obvious to me that Speir has not recruited well, and has not put together a good staff. Time to pull the plug, because it will only get worse from here.
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Post by smack1212 on Oct 6, 2018 20:27:36 GMT -5
The coaches don’t fumble, they don’t tackle, and they don’t throw the ball.... I get it, but they put a QB out there who has an injury, I get it he wants to play. Tyrie has a significant injury and wasn’t going to play today. Had zero to do with our first TO, but the other two, were directly related to him being injured IMHO. That is on coaches. We stunk today and made a bad D look decent. Jones went out and competed. RapidPulse what exactly do you want the OL to do? Our blocking concept is RPO based offense, I hate it. I’m a Dad of one, but what am I missing? I know that is one group that puts the blame on themselves after every loss. Hopefully #63 is ok.
We got our ass whipped and I don’t see it improving. I’m #72’s Dad, some know that already, but I don’t want to hide behind a screen name while criticizing folks. I’ll be at the rest of the games. Love that whole group of young men.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 6, 2018 20:31:50 GMT -5
Elon just beat a powerhouse JMU squad. Their coach has quickly turned around a program that had really hit the skids. Davidson, which has been horrific, is now 5 and 1 with a brand new coach. In fact, they scored 91 points three weeks ago using a brand new offensive scheme. What’s the common denominator in both these cases? It is coaching, plain and simple, and that is why Western needs a new HC. It is very obvious to me that Speir has not recruited well, and has not put together a good staff. Time to pull the plug, because it will only get worse from here. Oh my goodness. All is lost and we are doomed. I do agree that the university does not financially support football like it should, but that is not Coach Speir's fault. So to make sure I understand, the everything sucks crowd says we should begin firing all the coaches on Monday and get a new staff immediately and all of our problems will go away. You guys are geniuses. I wish I had thought of that. The entire problem with athletics at Western is Coach Speir so we should get rid of the man that picked us up out of the gutter and start fresh again.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 6, 2018 20:36:20 GMT -5
No one is getting fired or needs to be fired. You guys need to stop with all the crap about firing coaches and us having bad players. First, the players are 18-22 year old kids who are trying to win. The coaches get paid and it is their job to fix this, but you fair weather fans just make things worse with your arm chair quarterbacking. Coach Speir is a good coach and in the long run he is the right man for Western. According to you guys, we should fire all the coaches now and start over immediately. Western's main problem in the last 40 years has been the revolving door of coaches. We will be better next year and we will probably improve this year. Maybe we should see if Nick Saben wants to leave Alabama and come to Western to coach. It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee, but according to you guys, if we fire all the assistants, we will start winning immediately. Coach Wiley is in his second year and we are running the 3-4 defense which was just installed last year. He has had one year to get the kind of players he wants to run the defense. --------------------------------------------- " It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee." Ain't that the truth. Ask yourself why? Well, I think it's quite clear our University doesn't hold having a successful football program as being a priority. I don't know why that's the case but it is and it's why we suck and have basically sucked since the 80's (when I say suck I mean overall we've sucked. How many titles or playoffs runs folks? We've sucked the big one). The excuses about location? Nobody buys that excuse who has a brain and can reason. I can name 20 college teams in BFE who are successful - one of which is in Boone and one powerhouse who wears orange on gameday and is located just an hr or so south of Cullowhee in the middle of nowhere. Our recruits last year were sub-par (the stars do matter folks, don't kid yourselves). We aren't spending on infrastructure. University priorities have been somewhere else for a long time. I am not sure why but it's just the case in Cullowhee and I've unfortunately grown to accept it. I graduated in 1998 and we've basically sucked since that time and I've dealt with it and will continue to do so, however, the one fact that really astounds me and just plain hurts is when I see the Kenssaw States, Mercers, and ETSU's blow by us on the way up. I can make 50 excuses as to why they might be more successful and try to validate it and make it 'ok'.....but it ain't. It ain't ok and further supports my opinion the University doesn't hold the success of our sports programs as a high priority. Moving back to the "It's not easy to win in Cullowhee" comment - I think coach Speir does the best he can and I think coach Wiley does too. They do the best they can with what they've got. I think the University is gambling - gambling on every coaching hire offering sub-par salaries to folks with no head coach experience (look at current football and basketball coaches folks) with the hopes one coach will take WCU to the 'promise land' like the Cindarella story that happened in Boone. That crap's a fairy tale and our 40 years of sucking prove it - hell, you might as well go to the casino and gamble that way your odds are about the same. You get what you pay for folks and we could fill a graveyard with the tombstones of our losing football coaches. Make room for Speir. PS - I've been a member of this board under catamountsfan98 for many years lurking, reading, watching, supporting Western and hoping for a miracle. I will continue to do so but sometimes I feel like Charlie Brown right before he tries to kick that football old Lucy is holding.... w You hit the nail on the head. The problem is not with the coaches, it is with the funding provided by the university and football not being a priority at Western.
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Post by tigers95 on Oct 6, 2018 20:37:32 GMT -5
Looking back at the game we are very fortunate Samford turned the ball over 5 times or they may have scored a 100!!!! It looks like they didn’t buy into the hype of how good WCU was supposed to be .
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