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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Jan 8, 2019 20:16:45 GMT -5
So are you saying regardless of the results in football next season that Coach Speir should be fired and we should start over again in Football? I just want to understand your point of view. I would say that if we see improvement next year that Speir should be given an extension but I think you are saying that even if we win the conference, Coach Speir should be shown the door. Is that correct? Maybe this will be clear enough for you. He should have been shown the door at the end of this season. Since that did not happen for whatever reason, and unless he wins 10 games and brings in a SoCon championship or at least a playoff bid, his contract would just expire at the end of next season. With 7 seasons to prove himself, and only 3 winning seasons out of 7 - he's done about as much as he can in Cullowhee. I think he as about as much chance at 9 or 10 wins or a SoCon championship as he did this past season. Had they made the move this year, we'd be one more year closer to something with a new head coach this season. I hope that is clear enough for you. I understand. If that is the criteria, he will not be back. I doubt he will win 9 or 10 games next year. I honestly doubt that there is a coach in America who can come to Cullowhee and do that with the resources that are provided to our head football coach. College coaching is 80% recruiting and that takes money and facilities. If we do change coaches at the end of next year, I hope that we get that guy who can win 9 or 10 games a year and win year in and year out. Given our history over the past 35 years, I just don't see how anyone can do that. Just to be fair, I don't know how you can count the first 2 seasons against Coach Speir but if that is how it is, so be it.
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 8, 2019 20:38:10 GMT -5
Maybe this will be clear enough for you. He should have been shown the door at the end of this season. Since that did not happen for whatever reason, and unless he wins 10 games and brings in a SoCon championship or at least a playoff bid, his contract would just expire at the end of next season. With 7 seasons to prove himself, and only 3 winning seasons out of 7 - he's done about as much as he can in Cullowhee. I think he as about as much chance at 9 or 10 wins or a SoCon championship as he did this past season. Had they made the move this year, we'd be one more year closer to something with a new head coach this season. I hope that is clear enough for you. I understand. If that is the criteria, he will not be back. I doubt he will win 9 or 10 games next year. I honestly doubt that there is a coach in America who can come to Cullowhee and do that with the resources that are provided to our head football coach. College coaching is 80% recruiting and that takes money and facilities. If we do change coaches at the end of next year, I hope that we get that guy who can win 9 or 10 games a year and win year in and year out. Given our history over the past 35 years, I just don't see how anyone can do that. Just to be fair, I don't know how you can count the first 2 seasons against Coach Speir but if that is how it is, so be it.That's a fair question. Let me answer it like this. Had Coach Speir had winning seasons his first two years, would you give him credit for it, or would you say, "he won with someone else's recruits"?
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Post by bonsaiburke on Jan 8, 2019 20:42:29 GMT -5
So are you saying regardless of the results in football next season that Coach Speir should be fired and we should start over again in Football? I just want to understand your point of view. I would say that if we see improvement next year that Speir should be given an extension but I think you are saying that even if we win the conference, Coach Speir should be shown the door. Is that correct? Maybe this will be clear enough for you. He should have been shown the door at the end of this season. Since that did not happen for whatever reason, and unless he wins 10 games and brings in a SoCon championship or at least a playoff bid, his contract would just expire at the end of next season. With 7 seasons to prove himself, and only 3 winning seasons out of 7 - he's done about as much as he can in Cullowhee. I think he as about as much chance at 9 or 10 wins or a SoCon championship as he did this past season. Had they made the move this year, we'd be one more year closer to something with a new head coach this season. I hope that is clear enough for you. With the coach being in his last year of his contract it wouldn't make sense to fire pay him while hiring another coach and paying him as well. Especially with the small budget we have. Let him play out his contract. If he manages to get to the playoffs this year give him a 2 year extension. Otherwise let him know that you will not be renewing his contract and part ways. Women's basketball is another story. Unless you find a way to bring back Kellie Harper you are not going to have any success. Successful Women's coaches are so hard to find and multiple hires will be made before finding another successful coach. Even then they will get poached 2 or 3 years into the contract and the cycle starts all over again.
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Post by bonsaiburke on Jan 8, 2019 20:47:02 GMT -5
I understand. If that is the criteria, he will not be back. I doubt he will win 9 or 10 games next year. I honestly doubt that there is a coach in America who can come to Cullowhee and do that with the resources that are provided to our head football coach. College coaching is 80% recruiting and that takes money and facilities. If we do change coaches at the end of next year, I hope that we get that guy who can win 9 or 10 games a year and win year in and year out. Given our history over the past 35 years, I just don't see how anyone can do that. Just to be fair, I don't know how you can count the first 2 seasons against Coach Speir but if that is how it is, so be it.That's a fair question. Let me answer it like this. Had Coach Speir had winning seasons his first two years, would you give him credit for it, or would you say, "he won with someone else's recruits"? Answer depends on how bad the previous coach was. Sometimes you can fire a coach and find immediate success due to his schemes or the way he runs the program. For instance Mike Houston's teams or even UCF football as a couple examples
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Post by wcuecu2010 on Jan 8, 2019 21:11:58 GMT -5
The one that needs to be on the hotseat would be baseball's Bobby Moranda if we have another awful season like last year.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Jan 9, 2019 5:14:25 GMT -5
I understand. If that is the criteria, he will not be back. I doubt he will win 9 or 10 games next year. I honestly doubt that there is a coach in America who can come to Cullowhee and do that with the resources that are provided to our head football coach. College coaching is 80% recruiting and that takes money and facilities. If we do change coaches at the end of next year, I hope that we get that guy who can win 9 or 10 games a year and win year in and year out. Given our history over the past 35 years, I just don't see how anyone can do that. Just to be fair, I don't know how you can count the first 2 seasons against Coach Speir but if that is how it is, so be it.That's a fair question. Let me answer it like this. Had Coach Speir had winning seasons his first two years, would you give him credit for it, or would you say, "he won with someone else's recruits"? I would probably want to count it if I did not know the situation he was stepping into. Wagner set Western back 4 or 5 years and he left the cupboard bear and we all knew that Coach Speir's start would be a rough one. If he had won right away, it would have been a miracle and we should have given him a lifetime contract. I still don't count the first 2 years against him, but we will have to agree to disagree on that one. It is part of his overall record but I can understand the first 2 years being rough as they were. I think we all agree that this next year will be the make or break year whatever the specific criteria is. I don't think it will be win 9 games or get fired but I don't think that a 6 win season guarantees an extension. You and I both want the same thing. We both want the football team to win consistently. We just disagree on the best strategy to get us there.
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 9, 2019 12:36:59 GMT -5
The one that needs to be on the hot seat would be baseball's Bobby Moranda if we have another awful season like last year. I didn't like last season's baseball results either. But give me a break, it's one bad season since he's been the head coach.
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 9, 2019 12:40:49 GMT -5
In my opinion, Wagner had two major problems, 1) his assistant coaches - 2) his bullheadedness to not make changes as needed in his staff
Loyalty is expected, but not to the point of stupidity.
I think these two problems have carried over to the next head coach.
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Post by haywoodcat on Jan 12, 2019 20:30:56 GMT -5
Please read our AD comments in the Smokey Mtn. News concerning the future of WCU sports.
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Post by Admin on Jan 12, 2019 20:40:47 GMT -5
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