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Post by wcugrad95 on Sept 30, 2018 17:34:40 GMT -5
I think we are saying the same things with the classes. I was saying we concentrated too much on offense with all of his early classes (first 5), and have just started trying to get some guys on D. That is why we are so young and inexperienced on that side. If you miss on how good a guy is, have a guy quit or leave, etc. it doesn't take long to be short on defensive players if you are only bringing a few in.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Sept 30, 2018 17:41:41 GMT -5
I think we should replace the entire offense. I mean, we only gained 577 yards and scored 38 points. The turnovers (4 in the last 2 weeks) hurt, but the offense is doing more than enough. I know we all think we could do some things to try and slow down a little and try to control the clock to protect the defense, but hard to point fingers too much at the players in this game on O. Who are you quoting in red? Surely someone wasn't stupid enough to make that comment? Amen brother. The offense is just fine the way it is.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Sept 30, 2018 17:46:33 GMT -5
Totally agree with you. This offense is designed to score quickly on big plays. The example of this is the first TD against Furman that took only 1 1/2 minutes. Western’s Offense can score a lot of points & build great offensive stats just like the Cats did last year. Keep in mind the Cats had great offensive stats last year and WCU finished in 4th place. With the defense the Cats have this season, the offense has got to control the time of possession & limit the opposition’s offense to a minimal number offensive plays as possible. Scoring 38 points & gaining close to 600 yards on offense is no good if your defense gives up over 40 points. I hope the Coaching Staff can come up with a game plan that reduces the number of times the defense has to run onto the field. I disagree in part...scoring 38 points and having almost 600 yard of offense is always good...but it could have been better. It's not good to give up over 40 points, ever. I also think you always hit the home run play. If you can score on a long pass play every series, you do just that. The job of the Offense is to score. We aren't Wofford or The Citadel. It's the job of the D to get the ball back to the offense, in the form of a TO or a punt. who cares how long it takes, or doesn't take the offense to score. Our offense scoring in less than 100 seconds has nothing to do with our D giving up a 3rd and long for a first down, or a kick off returned for a TD, or bad penalties that extend drives for the other team...nothing. Do you think the furman D gave a crap that the KO return for a TD took less than 20 seconds? Do you think our D gets upset when we score quick on offense? You are exactly right. The problem with the defense has absolutely nothing to do with how quickly we score. The defense is on the field for a long time because we can't hold anybody on 3rd or 4th down. The defense is young and will improve, but the answer is not to slow the offense down so that the defense does not have to be on the field as long. Geez.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Sept 30, 2018 18:01:55 GMT -5
Jim64, You and I agree that stats don't win games - look at VMI's passing. Teams have adjusted to the "spread" and are we so damned lazy to try something that teams may have not planned for - ala two "speedy" backs in the same backfield. And another "lazy" coached example - they play number 90 (a great player) all game without much rest - my analysis - the coaches are lazy and stupid to not have another nose guard with experience ready for next year. There are lots of good freshmen defensive linemen who could help us now - but no we "decide" to redshirt them and risk having an "awful" season this year because they are set in their brains on redshirting. Think to you're paralyzed is not coaching. Just curious, Why do you keep saying something is wrong with our offense? We lead the SoCon in points scored, total yardage, yards per carry, first downs per game, etc. The offense is not the problem. The problem is the age and experience of the defensive players. Everyone thinks they know better than the coaches. We are 3-1 and the season is not lost and we do not need to be experimenting with a 2 back set or a 3 back set or any such thing. The offense is just fine. Please look at the offensive stats.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Sept 30, 2018 18:09:57 GMT -5
That points to the problem being that we spent the first several recruiting classes under Speir focused on offense. Some of the kids we are getting now look like they will be good, but they actually ARE getting used right now and the inexperience is showing (so rotating those young guys in because we have to rather than want to). This is not Speir's first or second or even third recruiting class. If my memory is correct, Speir is in his 7th season as HC. That means he's brought in 7 recruiting classes to this point. Any coach, given 7 classes should be able to recruit to fill both the offense and defense with the players they need to win. With that many classes under his belt, IF he were going to be able to get the job done, it would be done by now. Also, if memory serves me correctly, for the last several classes, he's made the statement that he (his staff) had brought in the personnel needed to fill the holes that needed to be filled (or something to that effect). Either he and his staff is not a good judge of talent, or the staff can't coach the talent they have, or somebody has been blowing smoke up somebody's butts for a while. We have played 4 games and won 3 and lost 1. All is not lost. What job is Coach Speir supposed to be getting done that he is not getting done? Is he supposed to be winning the SoCon every year? Do you remember what shape the program was in for the 30 years before he got here? Do you know that the we are the lowest funded team in the SoCon? I know, let's fire Speir and bring in a whole new staff and start over because we should be able to get Nick Saban to come to Cullowhee and coach the Cats. The defense will get better as the kids grow up. We should have won on Saturday but we did not. If we were 0-4, I could see the problem, but we are not. We should be concentrating on beating Samford next week instead of complaining about the level of talent that the coaches are bringing it. The last 4 or 5 recruiting classes are the best we have had over the past 30 years but let's throw all that away because we gave a game away at Furman.
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Post by wcatradio75 on Sept 30, 2018 19:24:33 GMT -5
This is not Speir's first or second or even third recruiting class. If my memory is correct, Speir is in his 7th season as HC. That means he's brought in 7 recruiting classes to this point. Any coach, given 7 classes should be able to recruit to fill both the offense and defense with the players they need to win. With that many classes under his belt, IF he were going to be able to get the job done, it would be done by now. Also, if memory serves me correctly, for the last several classes, he's made the statement that he (his staff) had brought in the personnel needed to fill the holes that needed to be filled (or something to that effect). Either he and his staff is not a good judge of talent, or the staff can't coach the talent they have, or somebody has been blowing smoke up somebody's butts for a while. We have played 4 games and won 3 and lost 1. All is not lost. What job is Coach Speir supposed to be getting done that he is not getting done? Is he supposed to be winning the SoCon every year? Do you remember what shape the program was in for the 30 years before he got here? Do you know that the we are the lowest funded team in the SoCon? I know, let's fire Speir and bring in a whole new staff and start over because we should be able to get Nick Saban to come to Cullowhee and coach the Cats. The defense will get better as the kids grow up. We should have won on Saturday but we did not. If we were 0-4, I could see the problem, but we are not. We should be concentrating on beating Samford next week instead of complaining about the level of talent that the coaches are bringing it. The last 4 or 5 recruiting classes are the best we have had over the past 30 years but let's throw all that away because we gave a game away at Furman. FL - Are you not reading and learning? Your comments should have been in red and bold...
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Post by catamountalum04 on Sept 30, 2018 20:12:18 GMT -5
I think that is the part that ticks me off is we hear the same thing every year of we got who we wanted and they will help us compete for a championship not they will help us make the playoffs. I feel it is alot of smoke blowing. I think going into the season Mark knew the defense was not going to be ready to play much less make the playoffs. He was talking like the playoffs were a lock and we would be completing for a Socon championship
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Sept 30, 2018 20:18:50 GMT -5
The sky is not falling. We are 3-1 the offense is on fire and the defense needs work along with the special teams. We were in the toilet for 30 years. Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s a by product of almost too much of a quick success and then when you have some down times people lose their minds.
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Post by catamountfanatic07 on Sept 30, 2018 20:20:17 GMT -5
We also have to remember the SoCon as a whole is getting really good...better as a whole then I can remember for a long time. We just have to continue to improve like the rest of the conference.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Sept 30, 2018 20:21:44 GMT -5
I think that is the part that ticks me off is we hear the same thing every year of we got who we wanted and they will help us compete for a championship not they will help us make the playoffs. I feel it is alot of smoke blowing. I think going into the season Mark knew the defense was not going to be ready to play much less make the playoffs. He was talking like the playoffs were a lock and we would be completing for a Socon championship You might be right. We might not win another game but right now we are 3-1 with a chance to go to 4-1 this weekend. Mark has recruited well and I don't particularly like all of the smoke blowing either, but if you think about it, what is he going to say. Mark is not going to say, our offense will be great but our defense will be young and not good. If you read between the lines of what Mark says in his videos each week, you can tell that he is concerned about the defense. This is only Wiley's 2nd year and the 2nd year we have been running the 3-4 defensive scheme. Also, we have had 3 DCs over the past 4 years, and we have a bunch of young players. This was Wiley's first recruiting class this year. There is nothing wrong with the coaches or this team that time will not fix.
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