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Post by wcu72 on Oct 29, 2018 11:11:12 GMT -5
Also, for next year, Adams, Young, Spencer (and even Furgeson), and all of the WRs and TEs are back except Mathis. On offense our losses are up-front, but as Smack chimed-in several of those guys have seen some playing time. I actually think Young can be a very valuable guy for us, and he has shown crazy-good receiving capabilities out of the backfield (his time at WR helped). I'm sorry to be negative, but IMO, same players, same coaches, equals same results. The team is undisciplined - coaches fault The team is uninspired - coaches fault The team is inconsistent - who knows who's fault that is Again, my opinion, but for the last 7 years the emphasis has been the offense, and we all love high scores by our team. BUT as we have seen, it's DEFENSE that wins games. Seems the coaching staff forgot that.
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 29, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -5
OK - so on defense we will return 18 of the 22 guys from last week's depth chart. I don't know how good that is, as it will be 18 guys from an all-time bad defense, but you would hope just from experience and some increased size and strength guys will be better on that side. The question is how much better??? If they were just a little bit better we are probably 5-3 right now. I know - ifs and coulda/shoulda/woulda are what guys who lost always use. So we are 3-5 and probably deserve to be.
And I agree - maybe we are no better than a couple of 7-win seasons when we have at least a little balance between offense and defense, and worse when we don't. I don't want to turn this into a "next year" thread, but I do think we will at least have lots of guys back. It will come down to what can the coaches do with that, and I get your points about discipline, inspiration, consistency, and I will throw in the ability to adapt/adjust (to the players you have, to the situation of a game, etc.).
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Post by catamount87 on Oct 29, 2018 12:28:30 GMT -5
All this on about offensive play calling forgets one thing, the QB makes a decision based on what he sees. Hence, why it is called the Run Pass Option. A lot of the success depends on his decision making skills. For the most part, I think Adams does a pretty good job of it. But he's not perfect at it by any means but he's better-than-the-average-bear so to speak. This season he's had some flashes of "what in the world"? Which makes many question the OC and his play calling when really it's Adams missing a read or misreading a defense, which will happen from time to time. The problem I think this year is those misses have come at more intense situations or critical times in games. Nothing that a bit of coaching and deeper film study probably would help resolve.
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Post by rapidpulse on Oct 29, 2018 13:50:44 GMT -5
On this board I've questioned the strength and conditioning program, as we seem to have far too many guys unable to perform. If it was just this year would be one thing, but golly, every year we're told how great the Strength program is and I don't see it translating on Saturdays. Anyone else with an opinion?
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Post by wcu72 on Oct 29, 2018 14:05:17 GMT -5
OK - so on defense we will return 18 of the 22 guys from last week's depth chart. I don't know how good that is, as it will be 18 guys from an all-time bad defense, but you would hope just from experience and some increased size and strength guys will be better on that side. The question is how much better??? If they were just a little bit better we are probably 5-3 right now. I know - ifs and coulda/shoulda/woulda are what guys who lost always use. So we are 3-5 and probably deserve to be. And I agree - maybe we are no better than a couple of 7-win seasons when we have at least a little balance between offense and defense, and worse when we don't. I don't want to turn this into a "next year" thread, but I do think we will at least have lots of guys back. It will come down to what can the coaches do with that, and I get your points about discipline, inspiration, consistency, and I will throw in the ability to adapt/adjust (to the players you have, to the situation of a game, etc.). OK, are you saying they can't use that "we're young" excuse next year? Oh...er....I mean. FLcat can't use that "we're young" excuse next year?
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 29, 2018 15:32:34 GMT -5
Definitely saying we can't - we should have probably a dozen or more guys who will now have started at least double-digit games. A FR or RS FR who has started/played that much is going to be equivalent of many SO and JRs at other schools.
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Post by bonsaiburke on Oct 29, 2018 16:21:02 GMT -5
OK - so on defense we will return 18 of the 22 guys from last week's depth chart. I don't know how good that is, as it will be 18 guys from an all-time bad defense, but you would hope just from experience and some increased size and strength guys will be better on that side. The question is how much better??? If they were just a little bit better we are probably 5-3 right now. I know - ifs and coulda/shoulda/woulda are what guys who lost always use. So we are 3-5 and probably deserve to be. And I agree - maybe we are no better than a couple of 7-win seasons when we have at least a little balance between offense and defense, and worse when we don't. I don't want to turn this into a "next year" thread, but I do think we will at least have lots of guys back. It will come down to what can the coaches do with that, and I get your points about discipline, inspiration, consistency, and I will throw in the ability to adapt/adjust (to the players you have, to the situation of a game, etc.). OK, are you saying they can't use that "we're young" excuse next year? Oh...er....I mean. FLcat can't use that "we're young" excuse next year? I mean if you look at the numbers you could claim that our defense is performing poorly due to age. We have the 2nd worse defense in the conference while having the 2nd highest number of freshmen. The only team that is worse than us is VMI and they have 3 more freshmen on defense than us.
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Post by wcugrad95 on Oct 29, 2018 16:40:36 GMT -5
All this on about offensive play calling forgets one thing, the QB makes a decision based on what he sees. Hence, why it is called the Run Pass Option. A lot of the success depends on his decision making skills. For the most part, I think Adams does a pretty good job of it. But he's not perfect at it by any means but he's better-than-the-average-bear so to speak. This season he's had some flashes of "what in the world"? Which makes many question the OC and his play calling when really it's Adams missing a read or misreading a defense, which will happen from time to time. The problem I think this year is those misses have come at more intense situations or critical times in games. Nothing that a bit of coaching and deeper film study probably would help resolve. I agree in principle, as we saw a bad decision earlier in the year where Tyrie pulled the ball on the RPO and threw an INT late in the game. I said then at some stage you should leverage the experience of the coach/OC to scheme something to work and take that out of the hands of a 18-to-21-year old making the crucial read. Some of the other calls were brilliant (flea-flicker, some of the designed QB sweeps, quick passes to WR when the CB is 9-10 yards back, some designed plays to find Cosenke, etc.). ETSU has a good defense, and we moved the ball on them as good or better than anybody all season. But here were our last 2 series in regulation when leading 30-15: 8:15 - WCU ball at the 32 after another INT 1st down: Adams up the middle for 3 (was RPO, but looked like he or Glenn pre-determined him to run) 2nd down: Screen pass behind the line of scrimmage that is more dangerous than going downfield (gain of none) 3rd down: deep pass down the sideline 4th down: punt 6:40 - ETSU ball - they go 81 yards to score in 1:41 4:59 - WCU ball after poor job covering the kick (nobody back deep) 1st down: Tyrie up the middle for 2 (RPO look, but again appeared to be a designed keep) 2nd down: Adams designed sweep for 1st down 1st down: false start (stops the clock and saves them another TO!!!) 1st and 15: designed run of Tyrie up the middle for a couple 2nd down and 12: called a pass, but hard to tell it might have been a designed QB delay that gains about 11 3rd down and 1: straight run up the middle that loses 1 or 2 yards (if Tyrie would have pulled it he wasn’t going anywhere - they had 3 D-lineman in our backfield). 4th and 2: we punt 2:56 - ETSU ball - they go 88 yards in 2:46 With 1:57 left, they are still on their own 25 but we are giving them 5 (I counted them) easy throws to the sidelines to get out of bounds (and we get caught with 12 men on the field to stop the clock!!!). Then it is 4th and 10 and we get a INT on a hail-mary with 25 seconds left to have it negated by off-sides!!! Stops the clock again and lets them regroup and call a better play. We give them the slant to the 2 and the rest is history. Again, it is hard for me to blame the offense given the scoring they have done. Their job is to score points and the defense's job is to keep the other team from scoring. But we only had 3 or 4 bad drives all game against a pretty good defense, and 2 of them were the last 2 of regulation. So I would stick with my assessment that we lost the ETSU game due to some bad penalties (at times when you simply can't get them), conservative play by the O and D late (but I almost expect that since nearly all teams go into the "prevent" mode), and then the missed kick. We should have never been in OT in my opinion. And there is plenty of blame to go around for us losing the game (not just one player or one series or one play).
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Post by smack1212 on Oct 29, 2018 17:41:17 GMT -5
95 3rd and 1 play was an outside run, no RPO.It was blocked that way. Cory goes off tackle he gets the first down. Watch that play and confirm what my son told me. Again 18-22 yr old’s make mistakes. Our offense is designed for the QB to run, designed for Tyrie. He is special. Can’t blame OC for focusing on our strengths, but I hate his play calling ego. This is going to sound like a shot, it’s not, Ferguson is 4th in depth chart of a very talented group of RB’s, no shame in himnot getting many opportunities. We should’ve won Saturday. All phases had a hand in not winning, but the record falls on the coaches. I’ve never seen my son and that Oline group, whom I love all of, look more dejected after a game. That group to a man shoulders the blame when they lose. I saw good things from our D, future looks bright. Our offense is lethal when we don’t turn the ball over, their future with Tyree at the helm will continue to be a force. Sadly my son will graduate without seeing a post season game. I’m blessed and grateful to WCU for the education my son has received. Love the great fans and other parents I’ve met in his time their. Skip your a great fan of all our players and coaches, I love seeing your posts. For that reason I won’t be talking anymore about coaches, all of whom love my son.I’m just a disappointed players parent. Let’s win the next 2 and get this bad taste out of our mouth. Would love to put up a fight vs UNC. My son has had tons of help in his time in Cullowhee, from coaches, other parents, and Falculty. The Miles family thanks all involved.
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Post by mtncat1 on Oct 29, 2018 21:22:35 GMT -5
95 3rd and 1 play was an outside run, no RPO.It was blocked that way. Cory goes off tackle he gets the first down. Watch that play and confirm what my son told me. Again 18-22 yr old’s make mistakes. Our offense is designed for the QB to run, designed for Tyrie. He is special. Can’t blame OC for focusing on our strengths, but I hate his play calling ego. This is going to sound like a shot, it’s not, Ferguson is 4th in depth chart of a very talented group of RB’s, no shame in himnot getting many opportunities. We should’ve won Saturday. All phases had a hand in not winning, but the record falls on the coaches. I’ve never seen my son and that Oline group, whom I love all of, look more dejected after a game. That group to a man shoulders the blame when they lose. I saw good things from our D, future looks bright. Our offense is lethal when we don’t turn the ball over, their future with Tyree at the helm will continue to be a force. Sadly my son will graduate without seeing a post season game. I’m blessed and grateful to WCU for the education my son has received. Love the great fans and other parents I’ve met in his time their. Skip your a great fan of all our players and coaches, I love seeing your posts. For that reason I won’t be talking anymore about coaches, all of whom love my son.I’m just a disappointed players parent. Let’s win the next 2 and get this bad taste out of our mouth. Would love to put up a fight vs UNC. My son has had tons of help in his time in Cullowhee, from coaches, other parents, and Falculty. The Miles family thanks all involved. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 20.920000000000073px; height: 6.439999999999998px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_71632781" scrolling="no" width="20.920000000000073" height="6.439999999999998"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 20.92px; height: 6.44px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 972px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_21184880" scrolling="no" width="20.920000000000073" height="6.439999999999998"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 20.92px; height: 6.44px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 276px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_79131619" scrolling="no" width="20.920000000000073" height="6.439999999999998"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 20.92px; height: 6.44px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 972px; top: 276px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_99024477" scrolling="no" width="20.920000000000073" height="6.439999999999998"></iframe> Smack, your son is a great player, student and man. You should be very pleased no matter the outcome of the season and I'm sure you are. We appreciate the sacrifices your son has made as well. Yes, he's getting an education, but he's had to work very hard for it and overcome so much both on and off the field. Same could be said for all of these players. Say what you will about Speir and staff, but they recruit great men and love them and care about their well-being. I hope the guys can bond together and play a great game this weekend and shoot for win 4, then 5, and possibly 6. Seriously, if the defense keeps improving and offense stays the course WCU CAN win out. I really believe that. Yes, that's a lot of "ifs", but nonetheless true. One thing I'm sure you can say, is that WCU fans are the finest in the SOCON in spite of how well our team does. I'm sure you've visited other stadiums around the SOCON seen how POORLY their fans support their teams. WCU is special, in a special place on God's creation, and I personally had some very special professors that cared about me and my success. Without them and WCU, I would have never been as prepared as I was to interview for, and obtain a 20 year career at a highly successful Fortune 500 company. Not bragging about success, just giving all the glory to God and the educators that taught me how to be a professional and learn the skills that I needed to succeed and thrive. I could have gone to ASU, UNCC, ECU, NC State and a few other much larger schools, but I likely would have floundered at those places being "just a number". So thankful I chose WCU and so thankful your son did the same.
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