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Post by jim64 on Jan 12, 2019 14:48:10 GMT -5
Not that it matters in terms of this discussion about schedules, but weren't Eaton and Speir hired at basically the same time? I think one was announced one week, and the other came about a week later. So I am not sure how much Eaton did in hiring Speir, but clearly they came in together in late 2011. Are you insinuating that the Great Belcher hired Eaton & Speir? What in the heck did this musician know about hiring qualified ADs & Head Football Coaches? 95, you maybe on to something here. That would answer the question why Eaton & Speir we’re hired and they were not qualified for the positions they were hired to perform. |
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Post by jim64 on Jan 12, 2019 15:04:03 GMT -5
What kind of an AD would lock in their advance schedule on a verbal agreement? If Eaton locked in a home & home with only a verbal agreement, then he got what he deserved. However, it's the Catamount fans that have to pay the price of having to watch the Cats play non-Division I teams for two years, as well as, the football team having to play the price of reduced opportunity for two years of winning enough D-I games to qualify for the playoffs. Also with a verbal agreement, the offending DCS team did not even have to play a game guarantee for pulling out of a "signed contract" Where did this guy learn to be an AD - on-the-job experience, just like the HC he hired. I'm sure you have plenty of experience with the negotiations and dealings when it comes to scheduling football teams. Please enlighten us on how this process is supposed to go and the normal time it takes to sign a contract. More than likely the school that was scheduled decided to go for their own money game of some sort and cancelled the contract with Western. When that happened very few schools had room left on their schedule and we had to settle. Let me see if I can answer your smart a$$ reply to 72. Several years ago Western Scheduled an away game with North Dakota State. WCU broke that Contract in order to play a BCS School. Western had to pay North Dakota State for cancelling the binding contract between the two schools. You need to apologize to 72 for your remarks to him. This is not the first time you have used this type of tactic to put people down on this board. Yes, I think 72 is very knowledgeable & it is hard to fool him by the School, AD, or the present Coaching Staff. |
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Post by jim64 on Jan 12, 2019 15:54:50 GMT -5
bc, if what you are saying is correct, how in the heck could a man that had no AD experience be hired one week & a week later he hires Coach Speir? I know that several coaches had applied for the job & would require time & follow ups concerning references. I do not see how Randy or anyone could step into the AD Job with nothing but a basic knowledge of WCU & take only one week to hire a Head Football Coach. I just don’t think Randy’s short time judgement is that good & a normal human being would have been more thorough in trying to find the right man for the job based on the Football situation at that time. When the Great Belcher told Eaton that the Football Program & Athletic Department would have to stand on its on, that would have told me to be very thorough in selecting the right man that had the background to completely turn the Football Program around & fill the stands on game day. If the people in the White Building thinks Western’s Athletic Program & the Football Program can fully fund itself is not dealing in the world of reality. The SoCon is not the Conference to be in to fulfill the pipe dream the Academics have placed on the Sports Programs at WCU. Western would have to play all their Out of Conference Games against BCS Schools to bring in enough money to support itself. As long as WCU is in the SoCon, WCU will continue to be the doormat of that Conference. |
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Post by CharlotteCat on Jan 12, 2019 16:06:20 GMT -5
bc, if what you are saying is correct, how in the heck could a man that had no AD experience be hired one week & a week later he hires Coach Speir? I know that several coaches had applied for the job & would require time & follow ups concerning references. I do not see how Randy or anyone could step into the AD Job with nothing but a basic knowledge of WCU & take only one week to hire a Head Football Coach. I just don’t think Randy’s short time judgement is that good & a normal human being would have been more thorough in trying to find the right man for the job based on the Football situation at that time. When the Great Belcher told Eaton that the Football Program & Athletic Department would have to stand on its on, that would have told me to be very thorough in selecting the right man that had the background to completely turn the Football Program around & fill the stands on game day. If the people in the White Building thinks Western’s Athletic Program & the Football Program can fully fund itself is not dealing in the world of reality. The SoCon is not the Conference to be in to fulfill the pipe dream the Academics have placed on the Sports Programs at WCU. Western would have to play all their Out of Conference Games against BCS Schools to bring in enough money to support itself. As long as WCU is in the SoCon, WCU will continue to be the doormat of that Conference.Jim, that was my point of suggesting the Pioneer League. I know you nor I want to take that path, but given the historic proof that WCU chancellors' do not support athletics, why not move to a place where success is possible? Moving to the PFL would free up millions of dollars for other sports, especially basketball, which could be the sport that makes a name for the Catamounts. I, like you, love football, but I've given up on any WCU administration supporting athletes the way ASU or ECU or even Furman and Wofford do. As you say, as long as WCU remains in the SoCon, Western and VMI will be the doormats of the conference, both struggling every year not to end up in last place. To think anything else is just fooling yourself. It's just my opinion, but I think in the next 5 years, VMI will be in the PFL as well, I don't think their administration is thinking that returning to SoCon was their best option. If that does happen, WCU will have last place in the SoCon sewn up. |
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Post by jim64 on Jan 12, 2019 19:02:17 GMT -5
bc, if what you are saying is correct, how in the heck could a man that had no AD experience be hired one week & a week later he hires Coach Speir? I know that several coaches had applied for the job & would require time & follow ups concerning references. I do not see how Randy or anyone could step into the AD Job with nothing but a basic knowledge of WCU & take only one week to hire a Head Football Coach. I just don’t think Randy’s short time judgement is that good & a normal human being would have been more thorough in trying to find the right man for the job based on the Football situation at that time. When the Great Belcher told Eaton that the Football Program & Athletic Department would have to stand on its on, that would have told me to be very thorough in selecting the right man that had the background to completely turn the Football Program around & fill the stands on game day. If the people in the White Building thinks Western’s Athletic Program & the Football Program can fully fund itself is not dealing in the world of reality. The SoCon is not the Conference to be in to fulfill the pipe dream the Academics have placed on the Sports Programs at WCU. Western would have to play all their Out of Conference Games against BCS Schools to bring in enough money to support itself. As long as WCU is in the SoCon, WCU will continue to be the doormat of that Conference.Jim, that was my point of suggesting the Pioneer League. I know you nor I want to take that path, but given the historic proof that WCU chancellors' do not support athletics, why not move to a place where success is possible? Moving to the PFL would free up millions of dollars for other sports, especially basketball, which could be the sport that makes a name for the Catamounts. I, like you, love football, but I've given up on any WCU administration supporting athletes the way ASU or ECU or even Furman and Wofford do. As you say, as long as WCU remains in the SoCon, Western and VMI will be the doormats of the conference, both struggling every year not to end up in last place. To think anything else is just fooling yourself. It's just my opinion, but I think in the next 5 years, VMI will be in the PFL as well, I don't think their administration is thinking that returning to SoCon was their best option. If that does happen, WCU will have last place in the SoCon sewn up. Jim, I certainly appreciate your comments & I know you mean well. After over 50 years of following the Cats, I feel ashamed of my school & the image it projects. Outside of Jackson County, people think WCU is a joke or they have never heard of the school. When I go to sports stores in the Myrtle Beach Area, I can’t find anything associated with WCU. However, I sure can find a lot of App State Sports Apparel, Plaques, License Plates, etc. I guess I’m jealous of App State & do not understand the tremendous push back from the academics at WCU toward Athletics. It is real & has been that way for many years. I do think we have a few people on the BOD that understands this & will try to make the necessary corrections to right the ship. However, they have to come up with someone that can challenge the bean counters in the White Building. For some reason they can not figure out how to do some creative financing to help supplement the Athletic Program. I hope we get a very aggressive Chancellor & he/she cleans out that White Building Cesspool. |
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Post by bonsaiburke on Jan 12, 2019 20:58:10 GMT -5
I'm sure you have plenty of experience with the negotiations and dealings when it comes to scheduling football teams. Please enlighten us on how this process is supposed to go and the normal time it takes to sign a contract. More than likely the school that was scheduled decided to go for their own money game of some sort and cancelled the contract with Western. When that happened very few schools had room left on their schedule and we had to settle. Let me see if I can answer your smart a$$ reply to 72. Several years ago Western Scheduled an away game with North Dakota State. WCU broke that Contract in order to play a BCS School. Western had to pay North Dakota State for cancelling the binding contract between the two schools. You need to apologize to 72 for your remarks to him. This is not the first time you have used this type of tactic to put people down on this board. Yes, I think 72 is very knowledgeable & it is hard to fool him by the School, AD, or the present Coaching Staff. I'm not sure if an apology would help if either 72 or you were offended by this post. You can use the cancelled NDSU game all you want but that doesn't mean that 72 has any experience in what happened with the team that cancelled or whatit takes to schedule a 12 game slate for a college football team. He is calling out the AD for something that he has no knowledge of. |
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 12, 2019 21:10:53 GMT -5
Let me see if I can answer your smart a$$ reply to 72. Several years ago Western Scheduled an away game with North Dakota State. WCU broke that Contract in order to play a BCS School. Western had to pay North Dakota State for cancelling the binding contract between the two schools. You need to apologize to 72 for your remarks to him. This is not the first time you have used this type of tactic to put people down on this board. Yes, I think 72 is very knowledgeable & it is hard to fool him by the School, AD, or the present Coaching Staff. I'm not sure if an apology would help if either 72 or you were offended by this post. You can use the cancelled NDSU game all you want but that doesn't mean that 72 has any experience in what happened with the team that cancelled or whatit takes to schedule a 12 game slate for a college football team. He is calling out the AD for something that he has no knowledge of. You have NO damn idea what I have knowledge of. I"m sorry your boy Speir is not working out, and this will be his last "Tango in Cullowhee", but after his 3 or 4 wins in 2019, he's gone. Gone, along with his less than skillful OC, and "the game has passed him by" DC. I'll invite you to call me out at the end of the season IF I'm wrong. |
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Post by bonsaiburke on Jan 12, 2019 21:26:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure if an apology would help if either 72 or you were offended by this post. You can use the cancelled NDSU game all you want but that doesn't mean that 72 has any experience in what happened with the team that cancelled or whatit takes to schedule a 12 game slate for a college football team. He is calling out the AD for something that he has no knowledge of. You have NO damn idea what I have knowledge of. I"m sorry your boy Speir is not working out, and this will be his last "Tango in Cullowhee", but after his 3 or 4 wins in 2019, he's gone. Gone, along with his less than skillful OC, and "the game has passed him by" DC. I'll invite you to call me out at the end of the season IF I'm wrong. Oh boy it looks like feelings were hurt after all... This whole discussion was about the cancelled game and blaming it on the AD for making a "verbal contract". The fact that nobody has come forward with details about what team cancelled, whether there was a penalty/fee for cancelling the game, or any specifics, I'm going to guess that nobody on this board has any knowledge about it. As for Speir working out or not. He has passed my expectations so far. I could count the number of wins on 2 hands for the time I was in college. While I don't agree with him keeping his staff the same, this is a prove it year and he is either staying for 2 (or 3) more years or going down with the ship. |
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