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Post by catamountalum1974 on Oct 8, 2018 4:58:26 GMT -5
What I mean is very simple. The "Golly Gee" approach does not work any longer. That does not impress most young men anymore. Check out this year's list of recruits. We "out recruited" the likes of NC Central, Charleston Southern, UNCP, Elizabeth City, and other well known football powers for the players we signed. That will not get it done. We brag about signing a kid that is 2nd team all conference in an out of the way A or AA conference. Are you kidding me? Yes we are on the short end of the money stick. But that is our fault. We need to demand more. But let us be honest here. Our entire athletic program is a mess. Men's and women' basketball, baseball, and list goes on. Yes I know there is a new men's coach. We will see if he can turn it around. Some sing the praises of our AD. It is under his leadership that this ship has run aground. Maybe before we start firing coaches again we need to put him on The Last Train To Clarksville.
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Post by SameOldStory on Oct 8, 2018 8:04:15 GMT -5
Look at RPI ratings. The worst in the country is 255. WCU is 219. Gardner Webb was 236. VMI was 245. Congratulations we beat some terrible teams. Newberry isn't rated because they are Division 2.
Furman (184) beat us. As did Samford (210). Mercer is 191 and Chattanooga is 156 which means we have some butt kickings coming our way.
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Post by rapidpulse on Oct 8, 2018 8:23:29 GMT -5
Give up right at 40 pts per game, we are fortunate to be 3-2. Our RPI is accurate. Giving up 40 per game will win how many of our remaining games? Let's hope things improve quickly!
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Post by catalumn08 on Oct 8, 2018 9:44:20 GMT -5
I guarantee the attendance is getting ready to drop in a major way No one is getting fired or needs to be fired. You guys need to stop with all the crap about firing coaches and us having bad players. First, the players are 18-22 year old kids who are trying to win. The coaches get paid and it is their job to fix this, but you fair weather fans just make things worse with your arm chair quarterbacking. Coach Speir is a good coach and in the long run he is the right man for Western. According to you guys, we should fire all the coaches now and start over immediately. Western's main problem in the last 40 years has been the revolving door of coaches. We will be better next year and we will probably improve this year. Maybe we should see if Nick Saben wants to leave Alabama and come to Western to coach. It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee, but according to you guys, if we fire all the assistants, we will start winning immediately. Coach Wiley is in his second year and we are running the 3-4 defense which was just installed last year. He has had one year to get the kind of players he wants to run the defense. They are 18-22 year old kids? This applies to every program in America, are you saying that alumni, fans, boosters of every college program should back down and lay off of the throttle during a bad season and just say "aww shucks they are just kids, give them a break"?? Also, how do you know they are trying to win? When i was in school at WCU we were terrible, as is the case with most of us on this board and the culture around the program was terrible. The program was a joke to not only the students but to the players, and it was so bad that I honestly don't think the players cared whether or not they won or lost on a given week. They cared about riding it out for their scholarships, and their parents, and wherever the bonfire and booze were after the game. It was bad to the point where they knew they would take a beating week in and week out, and that wasn't going to change. It was complete apathy. I'm not saying that's the case with this team, but unless you're in the locker room and are surrounded by the culture and mindset that has been created by the coaching staff then I don't think you can with certainty that is the case. Since you are once again dealing with 18-22 year old kids, how do you keep these kids from throwing in the towel and going through the motions the rest of the season? Someone else posed the question as to where do you realistically go from here? For starters, I'd like to see a shakeup in personal on the defensive side of the ball. I think you dig deeper into the two and three deeps on the depth chart and search for the guys that truly do care about making and impact and doing what's best for the program. I don't see how you can go through the rest of the season throwing out the same product on the field. If we are going to lose and give up 50-60 points per week, then at least give some other guys an opportunity and try to create a spark and some internal competition in the locker room. w
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Post by jim64 on Oct 8, 2018 9:52:46 GMT -5
The coaches don’t fumble, they don’t tackle, and they don’t throw the ball.... I get it, but they put a QB out there who has an injury, I get it he wants to play. Tyrie has a significant injury and wasn’t going to play today. Had zero to do with our first TO, but the other two, were directly related to him being injured IMHO. That is on coaches. We stunk today and made a bad D look decent. Jones went out and competed. RapidPulse what exactly do you want the OL to do? Our blocking concept is RPO based offense, I hate it. I’m a Dad of one, but what am I missing? I know that is one group that puts the blame on themselves after every loss. Hopefully #63 is ok. We got our ass whipped and I don’t see it improving. I’m #72’s Dad, some know that already, but I don’t want to hide behind a screen name while criticizing folks. I’ll be at the rest of the games. Love that whole group of young men. I have said nothing about yesterday’s game on this Board. I have said for the last 3 years that Coach Speir did not have the prior experience to be a HC at the FCS Level. I lost a lot of Friends because of that statement & other statements I made about the OC. I’m glad that after 7 years people are running out of excuses & now are starting to realize that we do have some major coaching issues. I wanted so much to see your son leave WCU as a winner but I’m not surprised to see this season turn out to be the 4th loosing season during Coach Speir’s tenure. It is obvious that Bardo & Belcher did not give a flip about sports at WCU. If any of the App State Coaches that came to WCU were outstanding, they would still be at App State. Tell your son to keep his chin up & I hope somehow or someway the team can win some more games to salvage this season.
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 8, 2018 10:10:31 GMT -5
I was at WCU the same time as you and I agree and can stand by what you said about the players not caring if they won or lost. I knew alot of them and they would laugh in class and say yep another loss for us is coming up. I feel that the players on the team now feel and are in the same mindset as the ones we knew. It is sad No one is getting fired or needs to be fired. You guys need to stop with all the crap about firing coaches and us having bad players. First, the players are 18-22 year old kids who are trying to win. The coaches get paid and it is their job to fix this, but you fair weather fans just make things worse with your arm chair quarterbacking. Coach Speir is a good coach and in the long run he is the right man for Western. According to you guys, we should fire all the coaches now and start over immediately. Western's main problem in the last 40 years has been the revolving door of coaches. We will be better next year and we will probably improve this year. Maybe we should see if Nick Saben wants to leave Alabama and come to Western to coach. It is obviously not easy to win in Cullowhee, but according to you guys, if we fire all the assistants, we will start winning immediately. Coach Wiley is in his second year and we are running the 3-4 defense which was just installed last year. He has had one year to get the kind of players he wants to run the defense. They are 18-22 year old kids? This applies to every program in America, are you saying that alumni, fans, boosters of every college program should back down and lay off of the throttle during a bad season and just say "aww shucks they are just kids, give them a break"?? Also, how do you know they are trying to win? When i was in school at WCU we were terrible, as is the case with most of us on this board and the culture around the program was terrible. The program was a joke to not only the students but to the players, and it was so bad that I honestly don't think the players cared whether or not they won or lost on a given week. They cared about riding it out for their scholarships, and their parents, and wherever the bonfire and booze were after the game. It was bad to the point where they knew they would take a beating week in and week out, and that wasn't going to change. It was complete apathy. I'm not saying that's the case with this team, but unless you're in the locker room and are surrounded by the culture and mindset that has been created by the coaching staff then I don't think you can with certainty that is the case. Since you are once again dealing with 18-22 year old kids, how do you keep these kids from throwing in the towel and going through the motions the rest of the season? Someone else posed the question as to where do you realistically go from here? For starters, I'd like to see a shakeup in personal on the defensive side of the ball. I think you dig deeper into the two and three deeps on the depth chart and search for the guys that truly do care about making and impact and doing what's best for the program. I don't see how you can go through the rest of the season throwing out the same product on the field. If we are going to lose and give up 50-60 points per week, then at least give some other guys an opportunity and try to create a spark and some internal competition in the locker room. w
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Post by bc on Oct 8, 2018 11:18:37 GMT -5
I was at WCU the same time as you and I agree and can stand by what you said about the players not caring if they won or lost. I knew alot of them and they would laugh in class and say yep another loss for us is coming up. I feel that the players on the team now feel and are in the same mindset as the ones we knew. It is sad Name one current player on the team that you know personally, and then state that you know or understand their mindset. I will wait.
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Post by jim64 on Oct 8, 2018 12:19:07 GMT -5
I was at WCU the same time as you and I agree and can stand by what you said about the players not caring if they won or lost. I knew alot of them and they would laugh in class and say yep another loss for us is coming up. I feel that the players on the team now feel and are in the same mindset as the ones we knew. It is sad Name one current player on the team that you know personally, and then state that you know or understand their mindset. I will wait. BC, I totally agree with you. I just don’t see this as a player problem. If players are not performing, you make Personnel changes. If the team is not prepared to play, you make Coaching changes. If the program is not funded sufficiently, the AD makes his case to the Chancellor and the Chancellor makes Athletics a priority for the University. As of today, none of these things have taken place. Therefore, why would anyone be surprised at the outcome of yesterday’s game. In one of my posts prior to the Samford Game, I stated that Samford would beat our brains out if we did not make changes in our offense & defense. My fears became reality Saturday. We have seen this RPO Offense for 7 seasons now & we are looking at a possibility of having 4 loosing seasons out of the last 7 years. I don’t think anyone was expecting or wanted this outcome when Coach Speir was hired.
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 8, 2018 12:19:17 GMT -5
Well if you wanna try to be smart, no I don't know a current player but any sports team i have played on I would battle back to try to not be disrespected. 66 points is disrespectful. That is even worse than if the kids did not give up and they still got 66 put on them they should not be starting in 1-AA ball. That means our coaches are clueless if they start kids that should not even be on the team. The point I was trying to make is the D is getting worse every game so if they are not giving up then the whole D unit should not be on the team as any person who has played sports knows if you practice you get better, not worse.
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Post by wcugamer2 on Oct 8, 2018 12:49:20 GMT -5
we will all agree that there were very few things from Saturday's game that were bright spots. however, one thing i was encouraged by, is that we were able to turn Samford over 5 times.
did our defense play well? absolutely not. however, creating 5 turnovers means they were doing some things right.
secondly, i truly believe the non-sense about who should be the starting QB (Adams vs Jones) was solidly answered on Saturday. If healthy, Adams clearly gives WCU a much better chance at winning than Jones does (at this point in time). Jones played all but three series at Samford. Here is how those series went:
1) 4 plays; PUNT 2) 8 plays; PUNT 3) 8 plays; PUNT 4) 1 play; TD (26 yards) 5) 3 plays; PUNT 6) 3 plays; PUNT 7) 6 plays; TD (43 yards) 8) 4 plays; TD (34 yards) 9) 8 plays; PUNT 10) 3 plays; PUNT 11) 1 play; INT 12) 5 plays; TD (75 yards) 13) 7 plays; PUNT 14) 6 plays; INT 15) 3 plays; PUNT
Of the four scoring drives, only one started in our own territory. i know we have been hard on the defense and them not playing well this year, but the defense should be given credit for 3 of the 4 TD's on Saturday, as the offense had short fields to work with
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