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Post by gocats18 on Oct 8, 2018 12:53:42 GMT -5
Name one current player on the team that you know personally, and then state that you know or understand their mindset. I will wait. BC, I totally agree with you. I just don’t see this as a player problem. If players are not performing, you make Personnel changes. If the team is not prepared to play, you make Coaching changes. If the program is not funded sufficiently, the AD makes his case to the Chancellor and the Chancellor makes Athletics a priority for the University. As of today, none of these things have taken place. Therefore, why would anyone be surprised at the outcome of yesterday’s game. In one of my posts prior to the Samford Game, I stated that Samford would beat our brains out if we did not make changes in our offense & defense. My fears became reality Saturday. We have seen this RPO Offense for 7 seasons now & we are looking at a possibility of having 4 loosing seasons out of the last 7 years. I don’t think anyone was expecting or wanted this outcome when Coach Speir was hired. I graduated in May. Before the SOCON tournament, a certain upperclassman who is on the team this year said we were going to lose the first game of the SOCON tournament. That's not the mentality I want our players to have. When teams believe they can win good things happen. When teams believe they are going to lose, they lose.
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Post by jim64 on Oct 8, 2018 13:05:50 GMT -5
we will all agree that there were very few things from Saturday's game that were bright spots. however, one thing i was encouraged by, is that we were able to turn Samford over 5 times. did our defense play well? absolutely not. however, creating 5 turnovers means they were doing some things right. secondly, i truly believe the non-sense about who should be the starting QB (Adams vs Jones) was solidly answered on Saturday. If healthy, Adams clearly gives WCU a much better chance at winning than Jones does (at this point in time). Jones played all but three series at Samford. Here is how those series went: 1) 4 plays; PUNT 2) 8 plays; PUNT 3) 8 plays; PUNT 4) 1 play; TD (26 yards) 5) 3 plays; PUNT 6) 3 plays; PUNT 7) 6 plays; TD (43 yards) 8) 4 plays; TD (34 yards) 9) 8 plays; PUNT 10) 3 plays; PUNT 11) 1 play; INT 12) 5 plays; TD (75 yards) 13) 7 plays; PUNT 14) 6 plays; INT 15) 3 plays; PUNT Of the four scoring drives, only one started in our own territory. i know we have been hard on the defense and them not playing well this year, but the defense should be given credit for 3 of the 4 TD's on Saturday, as the offense had short fields to work with Did play calling by the OC have anything to do with the drives of the Offense when Jones was QB.
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Post by wcugamer2 on Oct 8, 2018 13:28:42 GMT -5
can't say play calling wasn't a factor, but Jones was 22 of 41 on passing attempts.........only a 53.7% completion percentage
Adams is completing 64.8% of his passes for the season
i realize this only a one game sample; if things are to turn around for the Cats this season, we need #12 running the offense
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 8, 2018 13:42:11 GMT -5
Yes exactly gocats18 BC, I totally agree with you. I just don’t see this as a player problem. If players are not performing, you make Personnel changes. If the team is not prepared to play, you make Coaching changes. If the program is not funded sufficiently, the AD makes his case to the Chancellor and the Chancellor makes Athletics a priority for the University. As of today, none of these things have taken place. Therefore, why would anyone be surprised at the outcome of yesterday’s game. In one of my posts prior to the Samford Game, I stated that Samford would beat our brains out if we did not make changes in our offense & defense. My fears became reality Saturday. We have seen this RPO Offense for 7 seasons now & we are looking at a possibility of having 4 loosing seasons out of the last 7 years. I don’t think anyone was expecting or wanted this outcome when Coach Speir was hired. I graduated in May. Before the SOCON tournament, a certain upperclassman who is on the team this year said we were going to lose the first game of the SOCON tournament. That's not the mentality I want our players to have. When teams believe they can win good things happen. When teams believe they are going to lose, they lose.
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 8, 2018 13:43:51 GMT -5
From what i understand about tyrie's injury is that he might not play on Saturday can't say play calling wasn't a factor, but Jones was 22 of 41 on passing attempts.........only a 53.7% completion percentage Adams is completing 64.8% of his passes for the season i realize this only a one game sample; if things are to turn around for the Cats this season, we need #12 running the offense
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Post by bc on Oct 8, 2018 14:01:09 GMT -5
BC, I totally agree with you. I just don’t see this as a player problem. If players are not performing, you make Personnel changes. If the team is not prepared to play, you make Coaching changes. If the program is not funded sufficiently, the AD makes his case to the Chancellor and the Chancellor makes Athletics a priority for the University. As of today, none of these things have taken place. Therefore, why would anyone be surprised at the outcome of yesterday’s game. In one of my posts prior to the Samford Game, I stated that Samford would beat our brains out if we did not make changes in our offense & defense. My fears became reality Saturday. We have seen this RPO Offense for 7 seasons now & we are looking at a possibility of having 4 loosing seasons out of the last 7 years. I don’t think anyone was expecting or wanted this outcome when Coach Speir was hired. I graduated in May. Before the SOCON tournament, a certain upperclassman who is on the team this year said we were going to lose the first game of the SOCON tournament. That's not the mentality I want our players to have. When teams believe they can win good things happen. When teams believe they are going to lose, they lose. Football doesn't play a SOCON tournament
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Post by bc on Oct 8, 2018 14:08:04 GMT -5
Well if you wanna try to be smart, no I don't know a current player but any sports team i have played on I would battle back to try to not be disrespected. 66 points is disrespectful. That is even worse than if the kids did not give up and they still got 66 put on them they should not be starting in 1-AA ball. That means our coaches are clueless if they start kids that should not even be on the team. The point I was trying to make is the D is getting worse every game so if they are not giving up then the whole D unit should not be on the team as any person who has played sports knows if you practice you get better, not worse. You are changing your story. You said the players don't care. Fact is you don't know them or talk to them, and if you are watching the game and thinking that you see them not caring, then you don't know what you are looking at. Place all of the blame you want on the coaching and the administration, but these players work, sweat, bleed, and sacrifice to play for WCU.
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 8, 2018 15:19:11 GMT -5
He is talking about basketball, not football but you knew that. You are just trying to argue with everyone who sees this dumpster fire but won't fall in line with your thoughts I graduated in May. Before the SOCON tournament, a certain upperclassman who is on the team this year said we were going to lose the first game of the SOCON tournament. That's not the mentality I want our players to have. When teams believe they can win good things happen. When teams believe they are going to lose, they lose. Football doesn't play a SOCON tournament
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Post by catamountalum04 on Oct 8, 2018 15:20:23 GMT -5
So you are telling me the defense giving up 66 is the best they can do and they went all out during the game?? I hate to see how many points they give up if they didn't try Well if you wanna try to be smart, no I don't know a current player but any sports team i have played on I would battle back to try to not be disrespected. 66 points is disrespectful. That is even worse than if the kids did not give up and they still got 66 put on them they should not be starting in 1-AA ball. That means our coaches are clueless if they start kids that should not even be on the team. The point I was trying to make is the D is getting worse every game so if they are not giving up then the whole D unit should not be on the team as any person who has played sports knows if you practice you get better, not worse. You are changing your story. You said the players don't care. Fact is you don't know them or talk to them, and if you are watching the game and thinking that you see them not caring, then you don't know what you are looking at. Place all of the blame you want on the coaching and the administration, but these players work, sweat, bleed, and sacrifice to play for WCU.
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Post by catamount87 on Oct 8, 2018 15:46:27 GMT -5
can't say play calling wasn't a factor, but Jones was 22 of 41 on passing attempts.........only a 53.7% completion percentage Adams is completing 64.8% of his passes for the season i realize this only a one game sample; if things are to turn around for the Cats this season, we need #12 running the offense Hmm, the implication that play calling with Jones contributed to the scoreboard ignores the fact that we gave up 21 points on turnovers in the first quarter and all those were on short fields for Samford to boot. So, there was a lot of pressure to change the game plan based on that.
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