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Post by Lenoir Cat on Oct 21, 2018 9:12:00 GMT -5
Serious question. How much do you think the officials missed calls affected the outcome of the game? A couple of calls went against WCU which to me were totally in error, plus we had several no calls against Mercer that would have affected drives. It's hard to play the opposing team and the officials in the same game. This entire can should be reviewed by the SoCon. I listened to the radio broadcast and Daniel was beside himself on several occasions... Pass interference calls, holding by Mercer not getting called , etc...
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Post by catnation10 on Oct 21, 2018 15:37:29 GMT -5
It's not the BOT's fault that that VMi, Samford and Mercer hung over 50 on us. This lies on the shoulders of the defensive staff. Great, we are competitive but we are past where we want to be competitive. Competitive was 4 years ago. There should never be an instance where we have 710 yards of offense and score 46 points we should lose. It's time to make the decisions. It's time separate ties with a lot of the coaching staff. I'm glad they are great people. I'm glad they have high morals and great ethics. But this is D1 athletics! The name of the game is winning. We have won more than we have in the past but now it's time go forward. What is happening is not ok. We all want this football program to flourish. That's why we give money, buy tickets and WCU gear. But enough is enough. None of us are fair weather fans. That doesn't exist with WCU fans. And for the sake of all that is holy can we please PRESSURE WASH the stadium?!!! This is just apathy.
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Post by Lenoir Cat on Oct 21, 2018 20:03:40 GMT -5
It's not the BOT's fault that that VMi, Samford and Mercer hung over 50 on us. This lies on the shoulders of the defensive staff. Great, we are competitive but we are past where we want to be competitive. Competitive was 4 years ago. There should never be an instance where we have 710 yards of offense and score 46 points we should lose. It's time to make the decisions. It's time separate ties with a lot of the coaching staff. I'm glad they are great people. I'm glad they have high morals and great ethics. But this is D1 athletics! The name of the game is winning. We have won more than we have in the past but now it's time go forward. What is happening is not ok. We all want this football program to flourish. That's why we give money, buy tickets and WCU gear. But enough is enough. None of us are fair weather fans. That doesn't exist with WCU fans. And for the sake of all that is holy can we please PRESSURE WASH the stadium?!!! This is just apathy. No it's not the BOT or WCU.Admin.'s fault for the defenses play this year... We have to do something different... Not sure that it's not the scheme... OL coaches probably love it when they see a 3 man front... I know the inside LBs are to help cover the A or B gaps but if the OL can get a push, positive yards are gained almost immediately... I think we have to try a 4 man front to get pressure... Our DBs are having to cover really good receivers far too long... Even with experienced DBs that is asking too much... If we stay with 3 DL, then we have to bring pressure from somewhere else... I know that is playing with fire BUT what do we have to lose... Here's to the Cats having a strong week of practice and then going across the mountain and getting that W! Skip
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 21, 2018 21:49:01 GMT -5
Yes I am serious. Coach Speir is a good coach. Our defense is young. In all but one game, our offense scored enough points to win. Coach Wiley has been at Western about 1 and 1/2 years and it takes time. We have had 3 DCs in the last 3 years. Coach Wiley has won at every other stop so if he can't win at Western, then Western needs to look internally and not point fingers at coaches. The only problem that Western athletics has is sorry management and funding from the administration and the BOT. That is the root of the problem. We have had some decent coaches that did not win at Western. Hodges, Bleil, Briggs who won other places but when they come to Western, they lose. That is because we do not give our coaches the resources they need to win championships. The last administration cut funding to athletics every time the Catamount Club increased it's giving to keep the funding exactly the same. So all that giving more to the Catamount Club does is allow Western's leadership to cut what they give to athletics so they have more money to spend on the arts and other pet projects that cannot pay for themselves. Wake up is all I have to say. Go ahead and keep blaming Speir. That is exactly what the administration and the BOT wants you to do. It is all about funding plain and simple. "We have had 3 DCs in the last 3 years." is not an accurate statement. This is Wiley's 2d season, so, we've had 2 DCs in the last 3 seasons. If Wiley were the defensive genius his supporters (which are quickly dwindling) claim him to be, the WCU defense would not be the worst in the FCS. Youth is not the problem, the defensive coaches, starting with their leader is the problem. Good coaches can win with youth, that's only the excuse of mediocre and poor coaches, "We are young" You are right about the number of DCs in the last 3 years. We have had 3 DCs in the past 4 years though. Also, I never said that Wiley is a defensive genius but he does have 3 FCS National Championship Rings and about 6 Socon Championship Rings that say he is a good defensive coordinator. All of your opinions and posturing do not change the facts that the man has had allot of success as a DC at our level. You are wrong with the comment that "Good coaches can win with youth". Depends on the talent level of the youth. That is just supposition and conjecture on your part. The fact of the matter is that we are young on Defense and Special Teams. We will improve this year and be better next year and all of you band wagon fans will then finally be quiet Spier, Wiley, Etc. do not need to be fired. I am glad that folks like you do not have any say in this.
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Post by wcu72 on Oct 22, 2018 8:23:42 GMT -5
"We have had 3 DCs in the last 3 years." is not an accurate statement. This is Wiley's 2d season, so, we've had 2 DCs in the last 3 seasons. If Wiley were the defensive genius his supporters (which are quickly dwindling) claim him to be, the WCU defense would not be the worst in the FCS. Youth is not the problem, the defensive coaches, starting with their leader is the problem. Good coaches can win with youth, that's only the excuse of mediocre and poor coaches, "We are young" You are right about the number of DCs in the last 3 years. We have had 3 DCs in the past 4 years though. Also, I never said that Wiley is a defensive genius but he does have 3 FCS National Championship Rings and about 6 Socon Championship Rings that say he is a good defensive coordinator. All of your opinions and posturing do not change the facts that the man has had allot of success as a DC at our level. You are FOS with the comment that "Good coaches can win with youth". Depends on the talent level of the youth. That is just supposition and conjecture on your part. The fact of the matter is that we are young on Defense and Special Teams. We will improve this year and be better next year and all of you band wagon fans will then finally be quiet Spier, Wiley, Etc. do not need to be fired. I am glad that folks like you do not have any say in this. Maybe you should read this thread Who is young in the SoCon - catamount.boards.net/thread/9500/young-socon
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 22, 2018 17:49:21 GMT -5
You are right about the number of DCs in the last 3 years. We have had 3 DCs in the past 4 years though. Also, I never said that Wiley is a defensive genius but he does have 3 FCS National Championship Rings and about 6 Socon Championship Rings that say he is a good defensive coordinator. All of your opinions and posturing do not change the facts that the man has had allot of success as a DC at our level. You are FOS with the comment that "Good coaches can win with youth". Depends on the talent level of the youth. That is just supposition and conjecture on your part. The fact of the matter is that we are young on Defense and Special Teams. We will improve this year and be better next year and all of you band wagon fans will then finally be quiet Spier, Wiley, Etc. do not need to be fired. I am glad that folks like you do not have any say in this. Maybe you should read this thread Who young in the SoCon - catamount.boards.net/thread/9500/young-socon72. I need to apologize to you. I was wrong to use the language that I used and I deleted it from the original post. We do disagree about whether to throw Speir out with the bath water and what the root cause of Western's football woes this year and for the past 40 years, but there is no excuse for me losing my cool and saying that about you. Please accept my apology. We are both graduates of Western and we both care about our school. We are on the same side. I don't like losing either.
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Post by wcugamer2 on Oct 25, 2018 14:54:40 GMT -5
so i am pretty stumped by last week's performance at Mercer. i know it all comes down to starting field position and converting as to the outcome of the game. however, we "beat" Mercer in almost every statistical category last week, and still lost. we even had fewer punts than Mercer. We punted twice during the game and Mercer punted 3 times.
i guess the question going forward is how do we give ourselves a better chance at winning? Our defense is clearly the weak link, so do we try for even more ball control? control the clock even more by running more? Against Mercer, we had the edge in passing yards, rushing yards, time of possession, first downs, third down conversions, etc....and yet we lost by 13 points. should we consider taking the Wofford and Citadel approach and keep the ball away from the other team's offense? If our defense can't stop anyone, then perhaps we limit their time on the field by controlling the ball more.
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Post by wcu72 on Oct 25, 2018 15:04:12 GMT -5
72. I need to apologize to you. I was wrong to use the language that I used and I deleted it from the original post. We do disagree about whether to throw Speir out with the bath water and what the root cause of Western's football woes this year and for the past 40 years, but there is no excuse for me losing my cool and saying that about you. Please accept my apology. We are both graduates of Western and we both care about our school. We are on the same side. I don't like losing either. It's already forgotten, no problem, it's a topic we are all passionate about.
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Post by bc on Oct 25, 2018 15:07:13 GMT -5
wcugamer2, we need to eliminate turnovers and use our offense to control the clock. Turnovers are killing us. We turn it over in the redzone every game, denying us points. Not to mention that we also turn it over at other times every game giving the other team field position to score.
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Post by jim64 on Oct 25, 2018 15:36:40 GMT -5
wcugamer2, we need to eliminate turnovers and use our offense to control the clock. Turnovers are killing us. We turn it over in the redzone every game, denying us points. Not to mention that we also turn it over at other times every game giving the other team field position to score. BC, I have talked about using the offense to control the clock because of our weak defense. I basically agree with everything you stated.
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