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Post by jim64 on Oct 27, 2018 19:55:53 GMT -5
Yep.... All they needed was 3 points at some point in the 4th. Of course they also just needed to stop the ball once in the last minute as well. Oh and make the FG in the first OT... So no there wasn't any improvement at all Have you ever played a game of organized football in your life? Were you watching the same game? The good news is that all the coaches will be back next year and our defense will be one year older. The future is bright. GO CATS!!! Flcatamount, yes I have played football. Your optimism totally destroys your ability to deal with reality. Let me explain something to you. Statistically WCU defense is one of the worst in FCS Football. What do you not understand about that fact. The offense has a lot of weapons but the OC is not up to the task of play calling when the game is on the line. The Coaching Staff was hired on the cheap & why any of us would expect more than what we are getting from this crowd is a mystery to me. We have a performance history on this HC, his Staff and for the 7 years have not been overall positive. This program is a little better than what we had in the two previous coaches. However, during their time, the program was terrible. For your info, the program is still terrible. Flcatamount, you need a reality check. Giving up 45 points is not a good defensive performance by any stretch of anybody’s imagination. Sometimes I wonder if you & I are watching the same game based on your comments. You have the right to express your opinion but sometimes I think you are living in a fantasy world when it comes to WCU & Coach Speir. I once had the same attitude as you but I changed considerably when Bob Waters died.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 27, 2018 20:35:43 GMT -5
Have you ever played a game of organized football in your life? Were you watching the same game? The good news is that all the coaches will be back next year and our defense will be one year older. The future is bright. GO CATS!!! Flcatamount, yes I have played football. Your optimism totally destroys your ability to deal with reality. Let me explain something to you. Statistically WCU defense is one of the worst in FCS Football. What do you not understand about that fact. The offense has a lot of weapons but the OC is not up to the task of play calling when the game is on the line. The Coaching Staff was hired on the cheap & why any of us would expect more than what we are getting from this crowd is a mystery to me. We have a performance history on this HC, his Staff and for the 7 years have not been overall positive. This program is a little better than what we had in the two previous coaches. However, during their time, the program was terrible. For your info, the program is still terrible. Flcatamount, you need a reality check. Giving up 45 points is not a good defensive performance by any stretch of anybody’s imagination. Sometimes I wonder if you & I are watching the same game based on your comments. You have the right to express your opinion but sometimes I think you are living in a fantasy world when it comes to WCU & Coach Speir. I once had the same attitude as you but I changed considerably when Bob Waters died. We are getting better and this team is getting close. I don't believe that any of our coaches should or will get fired. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Coach Wiley is a winner and has won everywhere he has gone. We have some good athletes. I don't know how you can fault the OC. We are scoring enough points to win in just about every game. The problem is the young defense.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Oct 27, 2018 20:37:44 GMT -5
What I hope is that one day we can hire someone with previous head coaching experience which Mark Speir did not have.
Would like to see us get someone like Kerwin Bell the head coach @ Valdosta State - has been a winner everywhere he has coached.
I disagree. I think that we should keep the head coach we have. We are much better overall than we were 7 years ago. We need to stay the course and I think we will.
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Post by mtncat1 on Oct 27, 2018 20:49:01 GMT -5
Flcatamount, yes I have played football. Your optimism totally destroys your ability to deal with reality. Let me explain something to you. Statistically WCU defense is one of the worst in FCS Football. What do you not understand about that fact. The offense has a lot of weapons but the OC is not up to the task of play calling when the game is on the line. The Coaching Staff was hired on the cheap & why any of us would expect more than what we are getting from this crowd is a mystery to me. We have a performance history on this HC, his Staff and for the 7 years have not been overall positive. This program is a little better than what we had in the two previous coaches. However, during their time, the program was terrible. For your info, the program is still terrible. Flcatamount, you need a reality check. Giving up 45 points is not a good defensive performance by any stretch of anybody’s imagination. Sometimes I wonder if you & I are watching the same game based on your comments. You have the right to express your opinion but sometimes I think you are living in a fantasy world when it comes to WCU & Coach Speir. I once had the same attitude as you but I changed considerably when Bob Waters died. We are getting better and this team is getting close. I don't believe that any of our coaches should or will get fired. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Coach Wiley is a winner and has won everywhere he has gone. We have some good athletes. I don't know how you can fault the OC. We are scoring enough points to win in just about every game. The problem is the young defense. "The coaching staff was hired on the cheap". We got the best staff our money could buy at the time. Remember, we had to buy out Wagner's contract PLUS pay MORE in salary than we ever paid before during a time when WCU athletics had very little cash to work with. "On the cheap" is a relative term. Anyway, back to the game, tough to watch this one slip away. Typical of a young defense that can play well most of the game only to let a team creep back in. Defense stiffened up, got an interception, we miss a game winning field goal, the rest is history. Hard to lay the blame on any one particular thing that led to this loss. However, I'm sure a lot can cart blanche say the ONE thing that led to this loss was "bad coaching". In the end, with this loss, WCU can't even play for a winning season. Very sad. I can't imagine how disappointed the players are right now. Not sure how we will rebound from this with our next two games.
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Post by wheecats on Oct 27, 2018 20:58:41 GMT -5
What I hope is that one day we can hire someone with previous head coaching experience which Mark Speir did not have.
Would like to see us get someone like Kerwin Bell the head coach @ Valdosta State - has been a winner everywhere he has coached.
I disagree. I think that we should keep the head coach we have. We are much better overall than we were 7 years ago. We need to stay the course and I think we will. 7 years ago Western was 1-10, we’re currently 3-5 (two of the 3 wins are equivalent to the 1 in 2011 against Mars Hill imo) with 3 games remaining. So let’s project all the final outcomes... 6-5, we are better than 2011. Anything less is not ‘much better’ than 2011.
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Post by wcu72 on Oct 27, 2018 23:01:45 GMT -5
as usual
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Post by wcu72 on Oct 27, 2018 23:10:42 GMT -5
I really hope statterfield goes to UNC and takes spier with him. I think that is our only hope to get rid of him and the rest of his app st goons I feel like coaching and lack of discipline cost us the game - with 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter we are up by 15 points and manage to totally blow a gasket!
I feel for the kids, they played hard and showed some grit today. They just do not know how to win an important game so the program can move forward.
I blame a lot of this on the current coaching staff.
I really think seven years of Mark Speir is enough; maybe at the end of the season he will resign and get an assistant coaching job with one of his App State buddies.
This loss is a tough one to swallow.
If you were satterfield and got the unc cheaters job, would you hire speir? I'm sure the appy state crowd was ticked to death 7 years ago when speir was hired at WCU and took several of their problems with him.
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Post by wcu72 on Oct 27, 2018 23:39:43 GMT -5
What I hope is that one day we can hire someone with previous head coaching experience which Mark Speir did not have.
Would like to see us get someone like Kerwin Bell the head coach @ Valdosta State - has been a winner everywhere he has coached.
I disagree. I think that we should keep the head coach we have. We are much better overall than we were 7 years ago. We need to stay the course and I think we will. I'm not sure what you are smoking or drinking these days, but WCU has 3 wins this season, over 3 teams with a combined overall 6-19 record (4 of those 6 wins are from the DII opponent, against other DII teams) Newberry record: 4-5 (DII) Gardner-Webb record: 2-6 VMI record" 0-8 If you consider this better, with a head coach that's been on the job for almost 7 years, with 4 losing seasons out of those 7, there is just nothing that can be said to you to make you understand, this is not what should be happening after a coaches 7th season. You don't seem to understand that tonight's game ended in a loss, maybe it was close - but close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Tonight was a loss in the record book, period. This staff has had several winnable games, but they just can't get the job done. You must be one of speir's relatives to defend him so blindly. You are right about one thing, Speir will remain in Cullowhee. We have no money to buy him out of the "secret contract" he has now. Our only way out would be for him to do the right thing an resign for the good of the program, but I'm sure he does not think the problem is him or his staff, so he'll remain in Cullowhee, and WCU football will remain in the lower third of the standings, year after year.
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Post by rapidpulse on Oct 28, 2018 6:01:09 GMT -5
Pure and simple, we lost this game because we couldn't convert an extra point distance FG (27 yds) in 1st overtime. Make it and all's fine & ready for Citadel.
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Post by Lenoir Cat on Oct 28, 2018 6:39:32 GMT -5
Pure and simple, we lost this game because we couldn't convert an extra point distance FG (27 yds) in 1st overtime. Make it and all's fine & ready for Citadel. Exactly! In every game there are going to be mistakes by players and coaches. I can guarantee you this - as much as we all are hurting and frustrated - we come no where close to what the players and coaches are feeling. But what do we do - badmouthing everything. I have said it before and I will say it again - Coach Speir is the right man for us. Stand by these young men and fill Whitmire the next two Saturdays! Skip
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