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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 21, 2022 18:28:35 GMT -5
I hate that we are losing good talent to the portal. However, the coaches keep or lose their jobs on how the team performs overall. We need more than 2 solid QB's at any given time. And several of those guys know they have little chance of getting to the top. Another example of unregarded backups who have done well is Stetson Bennett who was 3rd or 4th and got to the top of the list early in the season. Who knows how many games Carlos will play next year? And what happens if Cole gets hurt? I like the fact that the coaches are able to keep the stable of recruits. If we know we have a senior, sophomore, and one other QB current, we have the flexibility to recruit for the future. And I totally agree about shoring up places where we have least depth (both lines in particular). The difference in Stetson Bennett as 3rd or 4th string is that Georgia is always a top 5 or better team who can win the SEC every year whereas Western has been a lower team in the SoCon and has never won the conference in almost 50 years. If you are on a team like Georgia, most folks are ok with not playing. At Western, if you are not playing, why not transfer…? |
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Post by jim68 on Nov 21, 2022 19:59:38 GMT -5
"He was never given a chance by Cade Bell. I have no clue why he was treated like trash by the Bells. His attributes have been well said by Flacat & I agree with him. If I was one of the QBs not playing, I would leave the Catamounts in a New York minute. I also would look very carefully at signing a scholarship to play for the Catamounts if I was a QB."
Treated like trash? Hmm, this isn't recreation league sports or pee wee football where the expectation is all should participate or get even play time. What is your definition of getting treated like trash? Coaches get paid to make the decisions on who starts and who plays. Is your only measuring stick that Cornett was treated like "trash" the fact he didn't get to play? Do you have inside information that he was personally attacked, abused, or mistreated in any other way other than not getting playing time? Maybe you do, and I'm asking in a serious fashion because you post a ton of good info and have good insights a lot of the time.
Moving on from player treatment, about how many QB's, on average, would be on the roster of a D1 college football team? Two, three, maybe four or five? From what I see, it seems like at least four and sometimes I see five or even six. How many QB's do you think WCU should have available to play, only two? That seems a bit risky. The logic you lay out above to any potential recruit that may read this is DO NOT think about coming to WCU because we already have two QB's. It seems like any of these recruits would face the same situation at any other school. They'd just have to get in line behind other QB's on the roster and work their way into the system, however that may look.
Not too long ago, Ohio State won a national title using either their 4th or 5th string QB. Riley Skinner was deep on the QB roster at Wake the summer before they won the ACC championship, the season rested on his shoulders in 2006. Point being, I bet the team, fans and coaches sure were glad they had more than two go to guys at QB those seasons.
I realize the transfer portal has moved the paradigm for many thought processes of players and coaches and because of this, things will never be the same. On the flip side, I don't think WCU is the only school that has a coaching staff who has chosen their key player two-deep roster. That's what they get paid to do. It doesn't mean that we or any other school should not deepen the bench for when situations arise where it comes down to "next man up".
With all that said, I do agree we need to shore up recruiting both offensive and defensive lines and shore up depth on defense all over the field. Not taking away from that observation at all and I think most would agree. It's a tough balance for teams like WCU. Coaches need the depth wherever they can get it. I've watched WCU football long enough to see our team get into bad player shortage situations at nearly every position over the years. I've seen where we have all the right players in place and depth in place at O line and D line, but are down to our last healthy QB and I've also seen us QB "rich" but real thin along the line and at other positions. I really do think our coaching staffs (both current and previous) simply end up with the roster they have because they have to weigh who they've offered, who commits at the end of the day, and who backs out last minute, then BOOM, you got what you got.
Well sir, when you only give 63 scholarships, you can’t afford having 7 or 8 QBs on the team. As far as trashing goes, I shouldn’t have said that in my post. However, I did watch Sam play in preseason scrimmages and he looked mighty good to me. This was before he got hurt. I might be wrong, I don’t think any incoming Freshman QB is going to bump Carlos or Cole from the 1 or 2 positions on the QB depth chart. One thing we will never know is how good or bad Sam would have been at WCU. Listen, no kid coming out of High School is going to sit on the bench very long waiting on a chance to play football at the FCS Level. We saw this movie play during the Speir years. Recruit, redshirt, and leave the next year via the portal. You are right that I’m not a professional coach, however I played the sport long enough to recognize talent when I see it. Also, you will find very few schools at the FCS Level that will have 4 or 5 QBs that can effectively run the offensives on their teams. When you give 85 Scholarships you can have players you are talking about at the P5 or the G5 levels. I support Coach Bell & have stated that if he can not turn the football program around, nobody can turn it around. I’m just going to wait around to see how many players enter the portal because of being encouraged to leave vrs the ones that left due to lack of playing time. I’m glad that WCU beat UTC & hate that we lost to the Citadel at home. That loss cost WCU from at least being considered for the playoffs because WCU would have similar records to UTC & Mercer. I’m also watching what new faces that will be coming to Cullowhee to shore up the lack of depth on the defensive side of the ball. In my opinion, this will tell me a lot about how quickly Coach Bell will turn the program completely around. You folks have a great day. |
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Post by mtncat1 on Nov 21, 2022 21:05:36 GMT -5
Agreed Jim68. I never said these guys should not transfer and do what is best for them. Not barking up that tree. I also never said 7 or 8 QB's on a WCU roster is the right amount for us to have. Neither do I feel that we should neglect bringing in some new QB's each year and only have two on our roster.
I just didn't see your point in bad mouthing the Bell staff over who they decide on who gets to play or not. Then following up with an open letter to all considering joining the WCU football team (particularly at the QB position) to think twice before committing because they will never get to play. Then doubling down on that by basically encouraging all current QB's who didn't see play time, to hit the road with the "NY minute" comment. Your last response cleared that up a bit, as your reflection on choice of words regarding Cornett being treated like trash was not meant in earnest. I now see that you said that more in jest and frustration over the Cornett situation, than really thinking he was treated badly by the staff.
My overall stance is Bell and staff should be able to get as much depth at whatever position they feel will help the team. It will be an inevitable fact that from one year to the next our team will look "too deep" at some positions. The byproduct of that will be for folks to hit the portal trail and leave. It is what it is and some years that's how the chips fall. So yeah, the players should transfer if they want and coach Bell said tonight on the coaches show that he understands that and holds no ill will against these fine young men. On the flip side, coaches should fill up the roster how they see fit without being prejudged they are doing so at the risk and intent of mistreating players who are good enough, to some casual observers, to get more playing time.
As you alluded to in your last post, it's prudent to hold judgement on many things right now and see how the next couple of seasons unfold. As I stated in other posts, I agree. I was not expecting many more wins than 4 or 5 this year. I had no inflated sense of reality that we would be in the running for a SOCON championship this year. Maybe some on this board did, but not me. We got to a 6-5 record in year two and getting there by losing to some we all thought we should beat and by winning some down the stretch that some of us didn't think would end up as a notch in the win column. Not bad overall if you look at the entire body of work from the staff and team.
Regarding turning the program "completely around". Yeah, a complete turn around from last in the conference (or next to last) is WCU winning the championship, so in reality nothing less than this will truly be a complete turn around. First season under Bell, four wins. Second season, a winning season at six wins. It's a nice start and good trend thus far. Time will tell. Jim68, I really enjoy reading your posts and I believe you really care about WCU and the team, so just because I may disagree with what you say, this does not mean I don't respect you and your ideas, points, and counterpoints. That's what makes this message board fun and interesting! GO CATS!
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Post by terrycat on Nov 22, 2022 5:25:23 GMT -5
I am with you Bob. Also, we should give the D some credit for improvements the last three weeks! Go Cats!
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Post by terrycat on Nov 22, 2022 5:32:49 GMT -5
Citadel job is open
VMI job is open
Wofford job is open
This is a business and you must recruit quality athletes to be successful.
I believe in the Bells!
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Post by LCACAT on Nov 22, 2022 7:17:00 GMT -5
"He was never given a chance by Cade Bell. I have no clue why he was treated like trash by the Bells. His attributes have been well said by Flacat & I agree with him. If I was one of the QBs not playing, I would leave the Catamounts in a New York minute. I also would look very carefully at signing a scholarship to play for the Catamounts if I was a QB."
Treated like trash? Hmm, this isn't recreation league sports or pee wee football where the expectation is all should participate or get even play time. What is your definition of getting treated like trash? Coaches get paid to make the decisions on who starts and who plays. Is your only measuring stick that Cornett was treated like "trash" the fact he didn't get to play? Do you have inside information that he was personally attacked, abused, or mistreated in any other way other than not getting playing time? Maybe you do, and I'm asking in a serious fashion because you post a ton of good info and have good insights a lot of the time.
Moving on from player treatment, about how many QB's, on average, would be on the roster of a D1 college football team? Two, three, maybe four or five? From what I see, it seems like at least four and sometimes I see five or even six. How many QB's do you think WCU should have available to play, only two? That seems a bit risky. The logic you lay out above to any potential recruit that may read this is DO NOT think about coming to WCU because we already have two QB's. It seems like any of these recruits would face the same situation at any other school. They'd just have to get in line behind other QB's on the roster and work their way into the system, however that may look.
Not too long ago, Ohio State won a national title using either their 4th or 5th string QB. Riley Skinner was deep on the QB roster at Wake the summer before they won the ACC championship, the season rested on his shoulders in 2006. Point being, I bet the team, fans and coaches sure were glad they had more than two go to guys at QB those seasons.
I realize the transfer portal has moved the paradigm for many thought processes of players and coaches and because of this, things will never be the same. On the flip side, I don't think WCU is the only school that has a coaching staff who has chosen their key player two-deep roster. That's what they get paid to do. It doesn't mean that we or any other school should not deepen the bench for when situations arise where it comes down to "next man up".
With all that said, I do agree we need to shore up recruiting both offensive and defensive lines and shore up depth on defense all over the field. Not taking away from that observation at all and I think most would agree. It's a tough balance for teams like WCU. Coaches need the depth wherever they can get it. I've watched WCU football long enough to see our team get into bad player shortage situations at nearly every position over the years. I've seen where we have all the right players in place and depth in place at O line and D line, but are down to our last healthy QB and I've also seen us QB "rich" but real thin along the line and at other positions. I really do think our coaching staffs (both current and previous) simply end up with the roster they have because they have to weigh who they've offered, who commits at the end of the day, and who backs out last minute, then BOOM, you got what you got.
Well sir, when you only give 63 scholarships, you can’t afford having 7 or 8 QBs on the team. As far as trashing goes, I shouldn’t have said that in my post. However, I did watch Sam play in preseason scrimmages and he looked mighty good to me. This was before he got hurt. I might be wrong, I don’t think any incoming Freshman QB is going to bump Carlos or Cole from the 1 or 2 positions on the QB depth chart. One thing we will never know is how good or bad Sam would have been at WCU. Listen, no kid coming out of High School is going to sit on the bench very long waiting on a chance to play football at the FCS Level. We saw this movie play during the Speir years. Recruit, redshirt, and leave the next year via the portal. You are right that I’m not a professional coach, however I played the sport long enough to recognize talent when I see it. Also, you will find very few schools at the FCS Level that will have 4 or 5 QBs that can effectively run the offensives on their teams. When you give 85 Scholarships you can have players you are talking about at the P5 or the G5 levels. I support Coach Bell & have stated that if he can not turn the football program around, nobody can turn it around. I’m just going to wait around to see how many players enter the portal because of being encouraged to leave vrs the ones that left due to lack of playing time. I’m glad that WCU beat UTC & hate that we lost to the Citadel at home. That loss cost WCU from at least being considered for the playoffs because WCU would have similar records to UTC & Mercer. I’m also watching what new faces that will be coming to Cullowhee to shore up the lack of depth on the defensive side of the ball. In my opinion, this will tell me a lot about how quickly Coach Bell will turn the program completely around. You folks have a great day. Not all of those 7 or 8 QB's were on scholarship if I remember correctly! |
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Post by wcatradio75 on Nov 22, 2022 8:04:54 GMT -5
Citadel job is open VMI job is open Wofford job is open This is a business and you must recruit quality athletes to be successful. I believe in the Bells! I agree. AND - when you listen to the Coach's show on Monday nights (I've listened to every one this season), you see a man who is passionate and has a plan. He has confidence and I believe he has the ability to extend that excitement to his team. I also believe that not everyone they recruit is right for this program or is ready to perform to the expectations of this staff. They wash out, and we will continue to see folks leave who are not performing or fitting in to the program. In my book, that is better than being OK with riding the bench and just getting by - and I think we have had that problem in the past. Herman Cain used to say, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." |
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Post by Catback on Nov 22, 2022 9:11:52 GMT -5
Well sir, when you only give 63 scholarships, you can’t afford having 7 or 8 QBs on the team. As far as trashing goes, I shouldn’t have said that in my post. However, I did watch Sam play in preseason scrimmages and he looked mighty good to me. This was before he got hurt. I might be wrong, I don’t think any incoming Freshman QB is going to bump Carlos or Cole from the 1 or 2 positions on the QB depth chart. One thing we will never know is how good or bad Sam would have been at WCU. Listen, no kid coming out of High School is going to sit on the bench very long waiting on a chance to play football at the FCS Level. We saw this movie play during the Speir years. Recruit, redshirt, and leave the next year via the portal. You are right that I’m not a professional coach, however I played the sport long enough to recognize talent when I see it. Also, you will find very few schools at the FCS Level that will have 4 or 5 QBs that can effectively run the offensives on their teams. When you give 85 Scholarships you can have players you are talking about at the P5 or the G5 levels. I support Coach Bell & have stated that if he can not turn the football program around, nobody can turn it around. I’m just going to wait around to see how many players enter the portal because of being encouraged to leave vrs the ones that left due to lack of playing time. I’m glad that WCU beat UTC & hate that we lost to the Citadel at home. That loss cost WCU from at least being considered for the playoffs because WCU would have similar records to UTC & Mercer. I’m also watching what new faces that will be coming to Cullowhee to shore up the lack of depth on the defensive side of the ball. In my opinion, this will tell me a lot about how quickly Coach Bell will turn the program completely around. You folks have a great day. Not all of those 7 or 8 QB's were on scholarship if I remember correctly! I really don't think we saw a movie play under Speir as he had no script! I really think the Bells have a script and we will see next year more of it play out! |
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 22, 2022 11:45:43 GMT -5
This guy is on fire. Another offer. He was a walk on for us.
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Post by wcu72 on Nov 22, 2022 13:35:54 GMT -5
Does anyone have any ideas about Brody Palhegyi? Does he plan to stay or join the other QBs?
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