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Post by wcu72 on Jan 8, 2019 11:53:39 GMT -5
A different thread got me to thinking about this, as we know, after the 2019 football season, Coach Speir's contract will end. How many games does Coach Speir need to win in 2019 to justify a new contract with Western Carolina?
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 8, 2019 11:56:14 GMT -5
Anything less than 10 wins indicates to me the season is a fluke, like the other three "7" win seasons. If he wins 10, I'd be ok with a 3-year contract, no more than 3 years.
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Post by LCACAT on Jan 8, 2019 12:00:20 GMT -5
9-3 will get us in the Playoffs and either we'll win or tie for the SoCon or at worst finish second. I agree with the 3 years extension.
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Post by wcugamer2 on Jan 8, 2019 13:33:59 GMT -5
I think 8-4 might get us in the playoffs.
IF we got in and won at least 1 playoff game, I think a contact extension could easily be justified with a 9 win season
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Post by wcuecu2010 on Jan 8, 2019 21:15:57 GMT -5
Anything less than 10 wins indicates to me the season is a fluke, like the other three "7" win seasons. If he wins 10, I'd be ok with a 3-year contract, no more than 3 years. Unrealistic expectations I think, that is basically saying we can only lose to NC State and Alabama. I wish that was all but we are likely to lose a game or 2 in SoCon at best. I think a contract extension is warranted at a .500 season, yes 6-6.
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Post by CharlotteCat on Jan 8, 2019 21:29:12 GMT -5
Anything less than 10 wins indicates to me the season is a fluke, like the other three "7" win seasons. If he wins 10, I'd be ok with a 3-year contract, no more than 3 years. Unrealistic expectations I think, that is basically saying we can only lose to NC State and Alabama. I wish that was all but we are likely to lose a game or 2 in SoCon at best. I think a contract extension is warranted at a .500 season, yes 6-6. So, you think a man with 8 years under his belt, and with only 3 winning seasons during his tenure, deserves a new contract? You would NEVER buy that for your beloved EZU, and we should not buy that at WCU. Montgomery only got 3 years at EZU, why should Speir get 11 or 12, with a 3-5 record? Mark Speir is a good man, just not a good head coach, and that's too bad. But, eight years is more than enough to prove yourself as a head coach. Unless he brings home a championship and makes the playoffs, he should not get a new contract. That is not firing him, that's just not giving him a new contract.
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 9, 2019 12:44:45 GMT -5
I can't believe that someone thinks Speir deserves a new contract if he ONLY WINS 5 GAMES.
To me it's unthinkable 3 voters would give a new contract without even a winning season. This is the thought process that has gotten WCU to the PITIFUL situation football has been in for the last 40 years in Cullowhee.
Please, whoever voted for the 5 wins, please explain why a man with a 3-5 winning record and two straight losing seasons deserves to be the head coach of Western Carolina football?
If you just want to play football, this program should go non-scholarship and join the Pioneer Football League as we have no business in the SoCon if our intention is not to be competitive and win championships. In that case, Speir would be fine.
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Post by wcugrad95 on Jan 9, 2019 15:49:21 GMT -5
For the history of the WCU football program, 7 or more wins has always been considered a banner year. I understand some think the 7-win seasons we have had under Speir are flukes, but if he were to get 7 (or more) for a 4th time that would put him in pretty rare air relative to our past football coaches. How many others have ever had 3 seasons of 7 wins like Speir already does?
But digging deeper, this is a pretty tough question for me. In trying to be practical, 3 winning seasons out of 8 is "good" for our past WCU football coaches but is still not what any of us really envision as being successful. I'd want to see the staff getting all we can out of the team (similar to what it appears Prosser is getting out of the basketball team). Show me a team that is leaving everything on the field or floor and I can overlook records. Show me a team that makes tons of mental mistakes, doesn't hustle, gets embarrassed in second halves, etc. and I think you have a coaching/leadership problem (all are things we have seen). So my vote would be for 7 or more wins AND seeing a team that is dialed-in and doing the little things to be as good as they can would warrant an extension.
I also agree that all extensions should be relatively short for any of our coaches until we have sustained success (i.e. 3 or more years in a row of winning records). The flip side is you never know what else you will get, and turnover always takes time to recover from. But this will be 8 years (or 6 if you want to discount the first 2) where we know what we have.
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Post by rapidpulse on Jan 9, 2019 16:07:04 GMT -5
Agree. No excuse (none whatsoever) for win % of 50 or under in 2019. The AD (and multiple coaches) has to go (or we need to just drop scholarship sports) if the sports teams stay on this pitiful path!
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Post by wcuecu2010 on Jan 12, 2019 22:48:16 GMT -5
I can't believe that someone thinks Speir deserves a new contract if he ONLY WINS 5 GAMES. To me it's unthinkable 3 voters would give a new contract without even a winning season. This is the thought process that has gotten WCU to the PITIFUL situation football has been in for the last 40 years in Cullowhee. Please, whoever voted for the 5 wins, please explain why a man with a 3-5 winning record and two straight losing seasons deserves to be the head coach of Western Carolina football? If you just want to play football, this program should go non-scholarship and join the Pioneer Football League as we have no business in the SoCon if our intention is not to be competitive and win championships. In that case, Speir would be fine. That would be me who voted the 5 wins. Why, because Speir is building the foundation to build WCU into a winner for the long-term, not looking for the quick fix of coaches that are only using us as a stepping stone for something bigger. Considering what Speir had to get through when he took over, the first 2 years should not even count against him. So giving him those 2 years as a mulligan, He has had winning seasons in 2014, 2015, and 2017, losing seasons in 2016 and 2018. If you take away the 2012 and 2013 season he has done pretty good for a WCU head coach and to be honest he is about on par to Bob Waters since WCU entered the Division 1 phase, if you compare Speir's record from 2014-2018 and Water's record from 1977 to 1988 and with the exception of the 1 National Championship appearance (in which WCU did not win the conference), Waters and Speir's winning percentage are not that much off. I remember in the early 2000s all of the Appy fans were wanting Jerry Moore fired, especially remember my own brother and saying that the game had passed him back in 2004 and then the next year they go on and win 3 straight national championships and defeat Michigan. It took Jerry Moore how long? With Speir, the goal is just to be able to get to the playoffs and maybe a conference championship before we can think of more. Also, I don't want to us to go back to another Dennis Wagner or even Kent Briggs type of situation. When we let go of Bleil, so unless you are going to find a coach that will come in an make an immediate fix, it is too risky and "dumb" to let a coach go that is winning 5, 6 or 7 games with the history WCU has had. Even with a quick fix coach who would leave immediately, that might give us a year or two to be excited and then WCU would likely go back to mediocrity or sucking. I would rather build it slowly for consistent success. Now if we only win 1,2,3 or 4 games then yes, contract should not be renewed.
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