lenoircat
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Post by lenoircat on Jan 16, 2019 16:40:35 GMT -5
SC - spot on in your observations... I truly believe Coach is the right man for the job... and you are right - he wants to be in Cullowhee! To me, that says a lot! He is doing is the right way, but I also understand the frustration of 2016 and 2018, but I can guarantee you that no matter how frustrated the fans are, we pale in comparison to the players and coaches that had to endure those two seasons... the young men and coaches put in an enormous amount of time and effort each and everyday... we need to as Catamount fans support them all we can...
Skip
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 16, 2019 18:01:27 GMT -5
SC - spot on in your observations... I truly believe Coach is the right man for the job... and you are right - he wants to be in Cullowhee! To me, that says a lot! He is doing is the right way, but I also understand the frustration of 2016 and 2018, but I can guarantee you that no matter how frustrated the fans are, we pale in comparison to the players and coaches that had to endure those two seasons... the young men and coaches put in an enormous amount of time and effort each and everyday... we need to as Catamount fans support them all we can... Skip Come on guys, no one wanted to be in Cullowhee more than Kent Briggs. Coach: Kent Briggs, 6th seasons (22-43) Coach: Mark Speir, 6th seasons (26-43) We know what happened to Kent at the end of his 6th season. Wanting to be in Cullowhee, is not the criteria for hiring or retaining a head football coach. Yes, I agree Coach Speri tried to do it the right way, only trouble is, he did not and can not accomplish the mission. He has reached his glass ceiling. He refuses to learn the lessons of his predecessor, Dennis Wagner in retaining unproductive assistant coaches. If we were in year 3 or 4, I'd agree with giving him a chance, but this is year 8. Last season was the year his team should have shined, and it certainly didn't happen. I'm of the same opinion as Western Fan, it's you folks and lack of expectations of coaches that has kept WCU in the SoCon football cellar for most of the last 40+ years Western has been in the SoCon.
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Post by jim64 on Jan 16, 2019 18:57:39 GMT -5
Just so you are aware Dabo Sweeny had no experience as either an OC or DC, he was a Wide Receiver Postion Coach when he was elevated to Head Coach, he was a walk on WR at Alabama, but to your other point that Mark did not play college football (he did play on some very good Kannapolis A L Brown teams) neither did Paul Johnson play football while at WCU. So those 2 points have no value in your statement. Coach Speir walked on at Clemson after playing at A.L. Brown High in Kannapolis. He realized fairly early on that he did not have the physical tools (and size) to compete for a scholarship at Clemson. So he served as a Manager and Hey-Boy for the next 3 years. Washed towels and jocks, pumped up footballs, etc. with the idea that he wanted to get into coaching. Steve Hodgin gave him a GA slot at Western and then kept him on the staff as an Asst. Coach for 4 years after he got his Masters Degree. Mark Speir WANTS to be in Cullowhee. He is loyal to the place. He is trying to build a program on a solid foundation that will have staying power. He is not trying any quick-fix stuff by bringing in a bus-load of JUCO's. I'm sure no one was more disappointed and frustrated at the regression of the 2018 team than he was. With a senior-laden OL and a 3rd year QB, there was no way we should have won only 3 games !! But it happened... Let's see what kind of rebound the team (and coaches) can make in 2019. And then we will know if a contract extension is justified. 66, I normally agree with all your comments on this Board. However, I would like you to tell us what facts, related to Coach Speir, gives you so much optimism about the future of WCU’s Football Program & Coach Speir’s ability to develop an outstanding program. Looking at the past 7 years, I have seen very little evidence that supports your comments. When you are trying to turn a Football Program around you may have to bring in some JUCO players & you may have to play the Red Shirt Players he has traditionally made stand on the sidelines since he came to WCU. I’m not sure what you mean by doing things the right way. I think the system he has been using has not worked. Loading up on the Offensive Side of the Ball & neglecting the Defensive Side of the ball has not moved the success efforts one step. I know Skip totally agrees with you but I try to deal in a state of reality based on what I see on the field instead of wishing for different results. What in Coach Speir’s background gives you & Skip so much confidence in his ability to turn things around at WCU?
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Jan 16, 2019 19:24:06 GMT -5
SC - spot on in your observations... I truly believe Coach is the right man for the job... and you are right - he wants to be in Cullowhee! To me, that says a lot! He is doing is the right way, but I also understand the frustration of 2016 and 2018, but I can guarantee you that no matter how frustrated the fans are, we pale in comparison to the players and coaches that had to endure those two seasons... the young men and coaches put in an enormous amount of time and effort each and everyday... we need to as Catamount fans support them all we can... Skip Come on guys, no one wanted to be in Cullowhee more than Kent Briggs. Coach: Kent Briggs, 6th seasons (22-43) Coach: Mark Speir, 6th seasons (26-43) We know what happened to Kent at the end of his 6th season. Wanting to be in Cullowhee, is not the criteria for hiring or retaining a head football coach. Yes, I agree Coach Speri tried to do it the right way, only trouble is, he did not and can not accomplish the mission. He has reached his glass ceiling. He refuses to learn the lessons of his predecessor, Dennis Wagner in retaining unproductive assistant coaches. If we were in year 3 or 4, I'd agree with giving him a chance, but this is year 8. Last season was the year his team should have shined, and it certainly didn't happen. I'm of the same opinion as Western Fan, it's you folks and lack of expectations of coaches that has kept WCU in the SoCon football cellar for most of the last 40+ years Western has been in the SoCon. Two comments. First, Coach Wagner had many more problems than just retaining unproductive assistant coaches. It was obvious from day 1 that he was a poor head coach for too many reasons to mention. Second, us folks are not the reason that WCU has been in the SoCon football cellar for most of the last 40 years. The reason we have been in the cellar is lack of university support for Athletics in general. Every athletic program except for maybe baseball and track and field have been in the SoCon cellar for the past 40 years so that does not point to poor coaching. That points to poor funding of all athletic programs across the board. Firing Speir is not the answer but you have already decided that is the only thing that will work and you will not listen to any other points of view on the subject. The answer is to give Coach Speir the funding and scholarship money and for the university to get behind athletics and fund athletics at a D1 level and not a D2 level which we have for 40 years.
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Post by wcu72 on Jan 17, 2019 10:40:03 GMT -5
Come on guys, no one wanted to be in Cullowhee more than Kent Briggs. Coach: Kent Briggs, 6th seasons (22-43) Coach: Mark Speir, 6th seasons (26-43) We know what happened to Kent at the end of his 6th season. Wanting to be in Cullowhee, is not the criteria for hiring or retaining a head football coach. Yes, I agree Coach Speri tried to do it the right way, only trouble is, he did not and can not accomplish the mission. He has reached his glass ceiling. He refuses to learn the lessons of his predecessor, Dennis Wagner in retaining unproductive assistant coaches. If we were in year 3 or 4, I'd agree with giving him a chance, but this is year 8. Last season was the year his team should have shined, and it certainly didn't happen. I'm of the same opinion as Western Fan, it's you folks and lack of expectations of coaches that has kept WCU in the SoCon football cellar for most of the last 40+ years Western has been in the SoCon. Two comments. First, Coach Wagner had many more problems than just retaining unproductive assistant coaches. It was obvious from day 1 that he was a poor head coach for too many reasons to mention. Second, us folks are not the reason that WCU has been in the SoCon football cellar for most of the last 40 years. The reason we have been in the cellar is lack of university support for Athletics in general. Every athletic program except for maybe baseball and track and field have been in the SoCon cellar for the past 40 years so that does not point to poor coaching. That points to poor funding of all athletic programs across the board. Firing Speir is not the answer but you have already decided that is the only thing that will work and you will not listen to any other points of view on the subject. The answer is to give Coach Speir the funding and scholarship money and for the university to get behind athletics and fund athletics at a D1 level and not a D2 level which we have for 40 years. You are wrong on both counts. 1) Wagner could have had competitive teams IF he had made appropriate and timely adjustments to his staff 2) The fan base has never demanded excellence in their coaching staff. We have always waited for next year, hoping for the best. With only low expectations from the fan base, every AD and football head coach have been free to field mediocre teams without any blowback from the fan base. If excellence isn't demanded, usually it's not provided.
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Post by catalumn08 on Jan 17, 2019 10:40:21 GMT -5
The funding debate to me is like a broken record. Successful programs don't have funding issues.....winning pays for nice facilities, stadium upgrades, a better overall experience for the student athlete. If the "white house" as it's been referred to in these threads should invest in anything it should be splurging on a proven head coach with a track record for winning at the collegiate level. Convince him to come to Cullowhee by flashing $$ signs in his face. It's going to take a big name Randy Sanders or Mike Houston type of guy to turn heads and put wheels of change in motion. Nice facilities don't do us a whole lot of good if you don't have a guy that can recruit and develop quality athletes to play in those facilities.
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Post by LCACAT on Jan 17, 2019 11:30:02 GMT -5
LOL, what FCS program has 4 and 5 star players!!
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Post by catalumn08 on Jan 17, 2019 11:59:45 GMT -5
LOL, what FCS program has 4 and 5 star players!! Did you not understand the point I was trying to make and have a question, or are you just here to argue? There are plenty of angry women on Facebook I can turn to if i'm looking to argue with strangers on the internet.
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Post by LCACAT on Jan 17, 2019 12:07:34 GMT -5
Not arguing at all, your statement said the coach needs to develop 4 and 5 star players. Just wondering what FCS programs have 4 and 5 star players???
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Post by catalumn08 on Jan 17, 2019 12:24:43 GMT -5
Well most come in as 3 stars at best out of high school...that's why I used the word develop in addition to recruit.
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