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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 4, 2018 20:23:26 GMT -5
Belcher was a great fan and cheerleader but that’s about as far as it went. He gave lip service like the rest of the administration does. He also cut the amount of money the administration gave as the Catamount Club gave more, so when folks thought they were giving more money to improve things, Chancellor Belcher was cutting the amount the administration gave proportionately which ensured that everything stayed the same. In my opinion, that is just not right. People were giving to make things better but the administration was just using the Catamount Club money to reduce the amount the University had to directly put into athletics. That is just wrong people.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 4, 2018 20:25:36 GMT -5
With the death of Dr. Belcher, I fear the athletic department is headed for the backwater again. I liked Dr. Belcher as well, but he was not a friend of athletics where it counted. In raising the athletic budget, he was of the same train of thought as Dr. Bardo. He was a great frontman for the university and cheerleader for athletics, but behind the scenes, not a contributor where it counts, more funding for facilities and the overall budget. In fact, like Bardo, he cut funding from the University as giving by the Catamount Club went up. The numbers prove that. That is why our budget has remained flat over the past several years as Catamount Club giving went up. That means that Catamount Club members were duped.
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Post by wcu1 on Nov 4, 2018 20:30:40 GMT -5
Don't forget that the same David Belcher you talk "Censored Word" about brought NC Promise to Western. Which made everyone's donations go further.
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Post by wcu1 on Nov 4, 2018 20:34:54 GMT -5
If we are good enough to get ahead in these games. We are good enough to win them. Tired of hearing the bitching about funding when the coaches aren't doing their jobs.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 4, 2018 20:36:52 GMT -5
Don't forget that the same David Belcher you talk "Censored Word" about brought NC Promise to Western. Which made everyone's donations go further. That is true. He was a good Chancellor overall, but he was not a friend of Athletics. He was a cheerleader, but did not adequately fund athletics which is a true statement. Nobody is talking "Censored Word" about anybody. Also, whether NC Promise will be a great thing for Western overall for the long term is still yet to be seen. If the NC Legislature votes to cut funding to it, then what will happen to the enrollment gains then. I hope they continue to fund but nobody knows whether it is or not. It is not talking "Censored Word" to state the facts about funding and how funds were de-allocated from athletics because private fund raising increased. I for one think that is unfair and cheats the folks that thought they were improving athletics by giving more.
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Post by wcu1 on Nov 4, 2018 20:40:24 GMT -5
Don't forget that the same David Belcher you talk "Censored Word" about brought NC Promise to Western. Which made everyone's donations go further. That is true. He was a good Chancellor overall, but he was not a friend of Athletics. He was a cheerleader, but did not adequately fund athletics which is a true statement. Nobody is talking "Censored Word" about anybody. Also, whether NC Promise will be a great thing for Western overall for the long term is still yet to be seen. If the NC Legislature votes to cut funding to it, then what will happen to the enrollment gains then. I hope they continue to fund but nobody knows whether it is or not. It is not talking "Censored Word" to state the facts about funding and how funds were de-allocated from athletics because private fund raising increased. I for one think that is unfair and cheats the folks that thought they were improving athletics by giving more. According to the FY18 Budget presentation, university support has stayed flat since 12-13.
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Post by FLCATAMOUNT on Nov 4, 2018 21:01:15 GMT -5
That is true. He was a good Chancellor overall, but he was not a friend of Athletics. He was a cheerleader, but did not adequately fund athletics which is a true statement. Nobody is talking "Censored Word" about anybody. Also, whether NC Promise will be a great thing for Western overall for the long term is still yet to be seen. If the NC Legislature votes to cut funding to it, then what will happen to the enrollment gains then. I hope they continue to fund but nobody knows whether it is or not. It is not talking "Censored Word" to state the facts about funding and how funds were de-allocated from athletics because private fund raising increased. I for one think that is unfair and cheats the folks that thought they were improving athletics by giving more. According to the FY18 Budget presentation, university support has stayed flat since 12-13. True. Overall University Support has stayed flat. You make my point for me. University Support includes what the Administration allocates, Student Fees, Catamount Club support, Gate Receipts, Concessions, etc. So if the Catamount Club support has more than doubled since 12-13, why would overall University Support remain flat. Think about it. The reason is that as the Catamount Club support goes up, the University Administration support has gone down and those dollars were allocated elsewhere. So, when a Catamount Club member ups their support, the Univeristy is basically taking those funds and allocating them to another area like the arts or the band or whatever the pet projects are. Also, it is common knowledge that Randy had an agreement to have the indoor practice facility built with private funds last year but Chancellor Belcher killed it for some unknown reason. I wish we would just stop trying to half-ass run a D1 football program and drop football. App has passed us by and we are where we were in 1985. Our administration and past administrations including this BOT and previous BOTs should be ashamed of themselves. To have our coaches go out and recruit student/athletes only to under fund sports and not give the young men and women a chance to win. I think I am going to quit caring and quit giving and stop coming back to campus because Western does not care about it's Alums. They don't give a damn about us so why should I care.
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Post by wcu77 on Nov 4, 2018 21:06:53 GMT -5
Belcher was a great fan and cheerleader but that’s about as far as it went. He gave lip service like the rest of the administration does. He also cut the amount of money the administration gave as the Catamount Club gave more, so when folks thought they were giving more money to improve things, Chancellor Belcher was cutting the amount the administration gave proportionately which ensured that everything stayed the same. In my opinion, that is just not right. People were giving to make things better but the administration was just using the Catamount Club money to reduce the amount the University had to directly put into athletics. That is just wrong people. Totally agree that by using increased Catamount Club monies to decrease the percent put in by the administration is just wrong and in my opinion, borders on a fraud against the club members. The club members stepped up their contributions for relatively nothing as it turns out....just so the admin could maintain the status quo and not have to make a commitment to better funding for athletics.
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Post by wcu1 on Nov 4, 2018 22:17:45 GMT -5
According to the FY18 Budget presentation, university support has stayed flat since 12-13. True. Overall University Support has stayed flat. You make my point for me. University Support includes what the Administration allocates, Student Fees, Catamount Club support, Gate Receipts, Concessions, etc. So if the Catamount Club support has more than doubled since 12-13, why would overall University Support remain flat. Think about it. The reason is that as the Catamount Club support goes up, the University Administration support has gone down and those dollars were allocated elsewhere. So, when a Catamount Club member ups their support, the Univeristy is basically taking those funds and allocating them to another area like the arts or the band or whatever the pet projects are. Also, it is common knowledge that Randy had an agreement to have the indoor practice facility built with private funds last year but Chancellor Belcher killed it for some unknown reason. I wish we would just stop trying to half-ass run a D1 football program and drop football. App has passed us by and we are where we were in 1985. Our administration and past administrations including this BOT and previous BOTs should be ashamed of themselves. To have our coaches go out and recruit student/athletes only to under fund sports and not give the young men and women a chance to win. I think I am going to quit caring and quit giving and stop coming back to campus because Western does not care about it's Alums. They don't give a damn about us so why should I care. If that's truly what that means then athletics needs to reword the report. I think we would be having a much different conversation if we had made the playoffs in the last 5 years. Which we have had good enough teams to do. Especially last year. Coach Speir and crew blew it. I'm not going to pull my money from the Catamount Club. At the end of the day, they restructured in an attempt to improve the program. Which is what we all want.
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Post by tigers95 on Nov 4, 2018 22:40:49 GMT -5
WCU was held to 39 yards rushing for the entire second half by the Citadel!!! WOW was I ever shocked to see that stat...
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